Originally Posted by Jetlikespeed

the all Boeing fleet has indeed come back to bite them, I’m sure they know it last summer they could not capture as much revenue they would like due to lack of planes. q3 will be telling with the max 10 if it comes back to bite them one more time or is the Apple finally sweet enough to eat. Not sure where GJ got 12 mo the after for HUD cert on the oct HA/AS pilot call they said 6 months after cert we will get them.

now AS is in a corner with PW engine backlog to get a new NEO is like 2035 so AS has made its all Boeing bed and is getting ready to lie in it. It’s been a bed that’s been a little uncomfortable but if the max is. Or certified in 26 then that bed will turn to into a bed full of spikes as it’ll be another year of .5% growth with the -8’s (ASM growth not necessarily pilot number growth)

yes I would agree my base is country club ish we just don’t have enjoy flying in the base to be used and abused pros and cons of a smaller base I suppose but also way less flying but living 25 mins from the employee lot is nice and makes things a lot easier with show and checkout times

but here we are later this year will be pivotal. If it’s not cert in 26 that’ll be almost 4 years of minimal “growth” if any

I don’t know if we have hired more than HA since 2023 the rails came off a month later in Jan with the door plug I’ll dig through it later and post what I find

Originally Posted by GoodJet

Someone involved with the program said 9-12 months post cert for the HGS. UAL, Ryanair and WestJet are not getting HGS so they get theirs first.

737 hire since January 1 2024 to January 1 2026: 58
737 hire since January 1 2026 verified: 59

We need to see the numbers on the March monthly attrition report which probably won’t be available until later this week, to verify Q1 hiring. Claiming we hired 91 pilots in February is extremely bold. Doubly so without verification.

Could there have been a few hires from December 23, 2024 to December 31, 2024? Maybe, but I can’t see a class running during that time and I don’t believe it would be statistically significant. It’s 7 days during the holidays fellas…

Originally Posted by MinRest

Show me, with evidence. I said we had hired more than 150 since merger announcement. Prove me wrong bud.

Show me how I have said anything false on retirements, I'll wait.

Originally Posted by MinRest

Show me, with evidence. I said we had hired more than 150 since merger announcement. Prove me wrong bud.

Show me how I have said anything false on retirements, I'll wait.

Originally Posted by PineappleXpres

I choose not to have the daily outlook or harping reflex of GJ, but after everything I’ve seen and read, it’s hard to argue against what he’s said. Vacancies that have pent up demand for upgrades going 2x more senior than the most junior captain along with the actual hiring hiring and pilot group size over time means something. The 5.5% was nice, but it’s pretty defensive strategy dependent. Hopefully they defend the islands too. The whole world comes at us. And in an economic downturn you hold your market share with more determination than before.

Originally Posted by conquestdz

What can be more concrete than our actual numbers compared to our peers actual numbers? If it's not data it's emotion. United, Delta, American, and even our Hawaiian counterparts were hiring far more than they were losing over the same time period. What do we look like since covid against the same peers? Not so great again. It definitely means something.

Originally Posted by word302

Yeah it’s almost like something catastrophic happened that halted our deliveries. This isn’t really news anymore.

Originally Posted by Jetlikespeed

Dec of 23 was 30
2024 we hired 18
2025 was 40

Originally Posted by Jetlikespeed

they will, they want to grow just Boeing can not deliver airplanes therefore nothing has happed the last 2 years cons of a single fleet