Seems like attrition has stabilized at around 40 pilots per year. I would expect that it will remain there for the foreseeable future. Pklot managers are not allowed to acknowledge attrition rates. Hiring numbers never include attrition
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Originally Posted by 9mikemike
(Post 2963033)
Seems like attrition has stabilized at around 40 pilots per year. I would expect that it will remain there for the foreseeable future. Pklot managers are not allowed to acknowledge attrition rates. Hiring numbers never include attrition
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Originally Posted by AnchorDown
(Post 2963236)
if you get the Union updates, they addressed this, great report and thank you to our Union volunteers! I just got it this morning, so it’s fairly new.
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Originally Posted by KnockKnock
(Post 2962602)
This same sentiment has played out at every airline in existence. There are still UAL guys that are so embittered by the companies past dealings that they advise against going there. I know a few. As I read through different airlines threads, there are at least a handful of folks who say their contract is the worst in the industry. Look at the JB, HAL and AA threads. This is a strange career. Our experience means nothing when moving company to company. We’re forever starting over. Mergers, acquisitions, bankruptcies can make ones decisions moot. One day your company is on top and the next it’s on the bottom. I don’t think it’s a mistake to come here. This company will be what we make it. I say get your number wherever you can, buckle up and ride the ride. There will be more mergers. Companies will swap paint and “culture”. The cycle will continue as long as air travel exists. I find that living at home and driving to work while navigating this maze of an industry makes the whole thing a little more palatable.
Intangibles such as company culture, management/worker relationship, commuting/living in base, etc - if it's important to a pilot - are all factors that will round out the ultimate picture, but usually over time, a consensus will build about the desirability about working for one airline vs another. |
Originally Posted by All Bizniz
(Post 2965796)
There will always be a group of pilots in any airline who no matter the circumstances, will still complain about how terrible their company is; and sometimes it is understandable because it came from a rough patch they experienced during their career there, but if you look at it objectively, from say ALPA's Contract Comparison publication, it is clear how the airlines stack up.
Intangibles such as company culture, management/worker relationship, commuting/living in base, etc - if it's important to a pilot - are all factors that will round out the ultimate picture, but usually over time, a consensus will build about the desirability about working for one airline vs another. We’re most definitely behind the curve on many sections of our contract. I believe we can and will make big strides in the coming years as long as we don’t lose sight of the long term goals. We can’t jump for carrots and must remain united on meat and potato issues. ie. scope, scheduling and pay. This is all the more reason to continue to bring in new blood that will help lead this group in the right direction. After all, 2/3 of this group are pretty new to the AS world and it has already created change. The old way of thinking is being shown the door. There’s talk of the company hinting at alter ego airlines on the Alyeska boards. Nooooooooooooo! We must put aside any little differences to fight against an abomination like that. Remember “freedom” and “go jet”? Both were used to circumnavigate union jobs. To quote the brain trust in the WH, “not good!” Makes the whole, Boeing vs. Airbus, argument seem pretty petty when we have a gigantic fish like this to fry doesn’t it!? How about we just make sure that no matter the airframe, it’s AS pilots on the AS list flying them... |
Great ideas....
A couple things to overcome. 1) Little to no unity, very little prior to the merger, even less after. 2) Complete lack of contractual awareness. Very little before the merger even less after. The route to a better contract and a better job are both at the top of those very steep hills..... We have the best MEC in 30 years, solid LEC’s, with a few exceptions our Committee chairs are motivated and hard working. None of which will change our outcome if we cant find unity and dont start enforcing our current CBA with an iron fist. These are the same problems we have faced for 30 years and they are worse post merger than pre merger |
Originally Posted by 9mikemike
(Post 2966451)
Great ideas....
A couple things to overcome. 1) Little to no unity, very little prior to the merger, even less after. 2) Complete lack of contractual awareness. Very little before the merger even less after. The route to a better contract and a better job are both at the top of those very steep hills..... We have the best MEC in 30 years, solid LEC’s, with a few exceptions our Committee chairs are motivated and hard working. None of which will change our outcome if we cant find unity and dont start enforcing our current CBA with an iron fist. These are the same problems we have faced for 30 years and they are worse post merger than pre merger I agree, we’ve got a great set of guys leading this group in the MEC, LEC’s and NC. Like you say, the best in 30 years. This Union leadership is made up of both L-VX and L-AS and is proof to me that things are changing for the better and we are overcoming some of the pitfalls associated with mergers. I also believe that unity is increasing. We may not be sitting on the crew room floor in circles singing kumbaya but we are starting to direct our discontent toward management instead of each other. That’s a big first step. The petty infighting is starting to dampen down as far as I can tell. |
Yes, I think this pilot group has finally woken up...but please let us not call that “woke.” Please no haha
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Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB
(Post 2966736)
Yes, I think this pilot group has finally woken up...but please let us not call that “woke.” Please no haha
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Yes it is true that we spoke via surveys and in direct contact with our LEC/ Committee members. The MEC is directing the negotiating
to that end. The very best support you can give those negotiators now is to know this current JCBA and enforce this current JCBA. We all are going to live under it exactly as it is written for quite some time. A year or maybe two before we have a contract to vote on. |
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