The company will argue that our peers are Allegiant and Frontier.

We will argue that our peers are Delta and United.

So what are we? Are we a major? Are we an LCC? We're a hybrid of negatives. We've got the pay structure of an LCC, and the outsourcing of a Major. It's truly the worst of both worlds.

We'll need to advocate strongly that we belong in the former.

Better than Allegiant and Frontier won't cut it. Not many AS pilots are leaving for ULCC. I've heard that some actually are, but the real drain is to the legacies.

I know a lot of people that are on the fence waiting for this TA. If it's more of the same, then they'll take their signing bonuses and head for the door. I hope the company understands that.

DL and UA are offering deferred class dates, 6-12 months IIRC. I think the company got a whole bunch of PRIA requests over the last several months, may have had something to do with the attitude adjustment. Like I said, fear.

I never wrote this. You have a repeated history on APC of making up your own words, and then inserting quotes with other usernames to make it look like they wrote it. It's hard to believe that a 45 year old man behaves like this.

It figures that you don't understand satire.

Serious question….why don’t you just leave and go work elsewhere? You’re clearly absolutely miserable, have no faith in the MEC, or that the company will agree to any meaningful positive changes.

Life is short, so why do you want to live in misery when literary everywhere is hiring anyone that can fog a mirror. Honestly you and the company would be better off without each other. And don’t give the canned answer of, I have too much seniority when the big 3 have upgrades happening in 1yr…

Once again... everyone needs to remain civil, make your point without personal attacks.

Ah, the new punk comes with over used and broken school child retort, “ why don’t you just leave and go elsewhere”…Punk

Serious question for you, the resident naif: What do you, in your completely uninformed, sophomoric, opinion, would happen if all the people in a particular group who are vocally dissatisfied followed your low-effort advice and actually just left? This goes for countries, airlines, whatever. What would happen if all the people who most strongly demand change just left?

I'll tell you before you pull a muscle trying figure it out: You'd be left with an airline comprised of only all the other milquetoast schmucks who are happy to go with the flow, eat what's put on their plate, resign to being second seventh (or is it 8th yet?) best, and then come on to the forums and preach sanctimoniously to anyone with legitimate gripes about how it's their attitude that's the problem.

"Love it or leave it" is and always has been a total fallacy, just like the rest of your post. No, a 1 year upgrade in JFK isn't a good enough reason for someone with seniority here to leave. No, not everyone is able to commute. And NO, I don't expect you to be able to comprehend why it's possible to be dissatisfied and demand better conditions but be unable to simply quit but you should give it a shot.