Alaska Air Hiring
08-22-2022 | 12:03 PM
#6831
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This pilot group and union has done more for its self in the last year, than all other previous pilot groups and MECs in the airlines 90 year history. It's been pretty darn well established at this point that both the union and the pilot group aren't playing around. I think it is important to manage expectations, but I also think it is important to actually listen to the MEC podcasts and communication that comes out. They are not going to bring us an AIP to vote on that doesn't meet the groups expectations. The MEC is all too aware that UA's TA was a disaster but a large part of that wad due to the rumor mill and mismanaged expectations.
Airline pilots have more leverage now than at any point in our careers. We should be expecting a lot. I'm expecting a giant leap towards parity in this Alaska TA. I'm expecting an air tight contract that removes all of the Alaska-isms that leave us open to abuse, or big compensation if they do.
I'm glad that we're doing more than ever in Alaska's history. It still might not be enough. And waiting for the others to TA first would have helped that cause.
08-22-2022 | 12:22 PM
#6832
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From: The Jet
You had me until this point. The Tumi TA was shot down not because expectations were spun too high, but because there were some legitimately bad concessions in that deal.
Airline pilots have more leverage now than at any point in our careers. We should be expecting a lot. I'm expecting a giant leap towards parity in this Alaska TA. I'm expecting an air tight contract that removes all of the Alaska-isms that leave us open to abuse, or big compensation if they do.
I'm glad that we're doing more than ever in Alaska's history. It still might not be enough. And waiting for the others to TA first would have helped that cause.
Airline pilots have more leverage now than at any point in our careers. We should be expecting a lot. I'm expecting a giant leap towards parity in this Alaska TA. I'm expecting an air tight contract that removes all of the Alaska-isms that leave us open to abuse, or big compensation if they do.
I'm glad that we're doing more than ever in Alaska's history. It still might not be enough. And waiting for the others to TA first would have helped that cause.
08-22-2022 | 01:24 PM
#6833
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This pilot group and union has done more for its self in the last year, than all other previous pilot groups and MECs in the airlines 90 year history. It's been pretty darn well established at this point that both the union and the pilot group aren't playing around. I think it is important to manage expectations, but I also think it is important to actually listen to the MEC podcasts and communication that comes out. They are not going to bring us an AIP to vote on that doesn't meet the groups expectations. The MEC is all too aware that UA's TA was a disaster but a large part of that wad due to the rumor mill and mismanaged expectations.
Economic packages are being passed across both sides of the table, and the MEC has said almost verbatim that our needs and concerns have been met on the major issues we have voiced (like scope, scheduling, reserve etc.). I really encourage you all to listen to the podcasts. Remain vigilant but also I think it is fair to look at this glass half full and realize that the company obviously did a stark 180 and actually came to the table in a meaningful way, and that hopefully this is going to come to an end soon.
Economic packages are being passed across both sides of the table, and the MEC has said almost verbatim that our needs and concerns have been met on the major issues we have voiced (like scope, scheduling, reserve etc.). I really encourage you all to listen to the podcasts. Remain vigilant but also I think it is fair to look at this glass half full and realize that the company obviously did a stark 180 and actually came to the table in a meaningful way, and that hopefully this is going to come to an end soon.
Once the summer rush is over, all this pretense of wanting an agreement with the pilots will come to an end with another 180 in their position.
I keed, I keed! Well, sorta... I feel coming to an agreement on the overall economic package is going to be a big sticking point.
08-22-2022 | 01:47 PM
#6834
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You had me until this point. The Tumi TA was shot down not because expectations were spun too high, but because there were some legitimately bad concessions in that deal.
Airline pilots have more leverage now than at any point in our careers. We should be expecting a lot. I'm expecting a giant leap towards parity in this Alaska TA. I'm expecting an air tight contract that removes all of the Alaska-isms that leave us open to abuse, or big compensation if they do.
I'm glad that we're doing more than ever in Alaska's history. It still might not be enough. And waiting for the others to TA first would have helped that cause.
Airline pilots have more leverage now than at any point in our careers. We should be expecting a lot. I'm expecting a giant leap towards parity in this Alaska TA. I'm expecting an air tight contract that removes all of the Alaska-isms that leave us open to abuse, or big compensation if they do.
I'm glad that we're doing more than ever in Alaska's history. It still might not be enough. And waiting for the others to TA first would have helped that cause.
If our union gets us an AIP that is solid, and has literally all, or most of what WE ASKED FOR, who cares what others get, .......right?
OTOH, if we decide to wait for the legacy to get their contract, but the economy's financial airspeed bleeds off to a stall before they get theirs, we could end up with less than optimal gains.
It really boils down to just one question, "Do you feel lucky?"
08-22-2022 | 02:48 PM
#6835
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Deliberately asking to stall negotiations to see what United, AA, and/or DL get first is a really bad take. If we get what we are asking, then there’s no reason to wait.
There is no scenario I see where the big 3 pilots “accept” lower pay than what Alaska pays. Put another way, there’s a decent chance AS pay falls short of newer big 3 pay. The question is how much, and what the pay review accomplishes in a couple years.
There is no scenario I see where the big 3 pilots “accept” lower pay than what Alaska pays. Put another way, there’s a decent chance AS pay falls short of newer big 3 pay. The question is how much, and what the pay review accomplishes in a couple years.
08-22-2022 | 02:56 PM
#6836
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Totally. I mean there is a reason for under 2 year upgrades across the industry. QOL is more important to most.
08-22-2022 | 03:03 PM
#6837
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Deliberately asking to stall negotiations to see what United, AA, and/or DL get first is a really bad take. If we get what we are asking, then there’s no reason to wait.
There is no scenario I see where the big 3 pilots “accept” lower pay than what Alaska pays. Put another way, there’s a decent chance AS pay falls short of newer big 3 pay. The question is how much, and what the pay review accomplishes in a couple years.
There is no scenario I see where the big 3 pilots “accept” lower pay than what Alaska pays. Put another way, there’s a decent chance AS pay falls short of newer big 3 pay. The question is how much, and what the pay review accomplishes in a couple years.
08-22-2022 | 03:43 PM
#6838
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"We'll get what we asked for" is a deliberate misnomer.
There's 3300 asks. It could mean anything. Line pilots never saw the polling data, there's no frame of reference there.
"We got what Delta got" is much more tangible measure.
There's 3300 asks. It could mean anything. Line pilots never saw the polling data, there's no frame of reference there.
"We got what Delta got" is much more tangible measure.
08-22-2022 | 03:58 PM
#6839
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I do. I care. We all should care. Part of the reason why Alaska has fallen so woefully behind is that they haven't been paying attention to the industry. They've just been up in their bubble in the PNW muttering "Kasher" over and over.
Peer comparison is the only bar for which to measure success.
Peer comparison is the only bar for which to measure success.
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