Are you talking to me? And if so, how was that a personal attack? I never addressed them personally or anything such. I was honestly asking a question to try and educate myself why someone would stay if they are that unhappy. There must be a reason, and I am in good faith honesty just curious why they stick around?

Sorry if it came off harsh…was not my intentions

 

Point taken, but please understand that I was simply asking a question so that I could educate myself on why someone so unhappy, and clearly had no faith things can change would stay. There must be a reason….

 

It’s hard to remain civil when you work at Alaska

 

Or it would be more leverage. While I'd like to think the Apr 1 demonstration brought them to their knees, it would seem they are now seriously negotiating because they see what the pilot market looks like. People are headed to the big 3 in droves, and many pilots are not seeing the benefit of working for a national single fleet carrier (like your Frontier, Spirit, sorta jetBlue and Alaska). Anyone at the regional level would probably pick the big 3 or the big 2 cargo. Why even go to F9/NK/AS/B6? Love it or walk with your feet is the norm for just about every career except airline pilots. Our seniority ties us down and therefore we have zero career portability. When it comes to negotiating leverage, it's a huge hit. 2020-2021 airlines lose billions and negotiations stall. But for 2022 it's been a complete 180 and shaping up to be a pilot's market for a long time. Most national carrier managements are starting to see that and getting serious about negotiations. I'll admit I was wrong in 2019 when I said that pilot attrition wouldn't amount to any amount of leverage, but today it seems it is the #1 leverage point for negotiations for the non big 4 pax carriers.

 

April 1st picketing, 99% YES vote with 97% participation, Pilot Attrition and the dare I say Pilot Shortage, all played their part in getting their attention.

Never underestimate however, the effect of the STRONG showing on their calculation. Whether or not things were in their favor, I think they quickly realized that the usual 50 + 1 strategy was not going to be an option this time around.

You had to see it to believe it, but kudos to you on your acknowledgement that it's looking like you got the impact of pilot attrition wrong.

 

Uh. Did you notice the Clusterfk over at United? I wouldn’t assume the big guys are any smarter than us. Maybe we should just evaluate our own TA IF/when we get one. I have every faith that we are collectively big enough boys and girls to evaluate a TA and decide for ourselves how to proceed.

 

No it isn't. It is a choice to be negative and militant all the time.

 

Put the phone or laptop down. Is stuff great at any airline? Hell no. Sitting in an echo chamber 24/7 of constant negativity isn’t good for your health. United pilots have pitchforks and torches trying to burn their MEC down with their latest proposal. Upgrade is a year at Delta and United because 7000 FOs are bypassing reserve, because as pilots, there has always been the mantra of ****ting on reserves to benefit the lineholders.

The bright side of being so negative and angry all the time over things you can’t control is that you’ll die early, so you don’t have to worry about your 401k contributions when it’s time to vote for your TA.

 

It is a choice, and when you choose to opposite, you end up getting walked all over. Or, you can let the things that legitimately should make you angry guide you towards justified anger and then focus that energy towards taking the kind of actions that could lead to positive change.....so you don't have to be angry anymore.

 

I’m just going to drop this and run for cover.
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...301564950.html

Ok byyyyyyyye.