Who knows what is true or not but some friends in higher places have said there have been zero discussions on downgrades, an amount, or anything of that nature. I wouldn't agree to say that it is the "go-to" move. Again, if there is a legitimate overstaffing in a given seat, then maybe. We obviously were overstaffed enough to offer LOAs and ILs but again, we continued to upgrade first officers to captain, during this process lol. We knew PBS was going to make things more efficient which is why the company wanted it, so the lack of open time isn't super surprising but clearly, we are in a period of slightly reduced flying, a bit of overstaffing (apparently in both seats) and we are waiting for deliveries to make up the difference.

 

The closest I can get to the negotiation table is through my rep. He said that the letter allowing reserve pick up on days off was cancelled to allow for paid leaves which would prevent downgrades. He said that there was a lot of negative feedback about this that peaked when premium started getting handed out in late March. He said if the MEC had not chosen to negotiate down the path of temporarily pausing reserve day off pick up and also offering paid leaves that there would have been a certain number of junior captains downgraded. I don't have access to an insider like OTZ does, or you apparently (lol) but asking one of the parties at the negotiation table about it seems pretty legit to me. This isn't my opinion and I heard this said by 2 different reps at different times. Maybe it is seen as an over reaction by now. Judging by our internal forum the MEC caught a lot of flack about the path to stop furloughs so they certainly took a beating over nothing, if what you say is true. For now I'd trust that my rep isn't lying to me.

 

What type of contact should we be maintaining with onboarding while staring at our CJO paperweight? I reached out beginning of May asking if they still were planning on starting training up in the fall as well as beginning of June I reached out and they seem to be lost comms...

I'm pretty aware at this point of what the pilots know/feel about when training should start back up but the last offical word we got from them was in February (about starting back up in the fall). I can't imagine onboarding and pilot hiring have a ton on their plate right now so I'm guessing they maybe have been told to not talk about it.

 

unless something changes pretty dramatically there will not be any more classes this year. Next year probably depends on Boeing deliveries but I wouldn’t plan on many classes if any next year either.

 

Tried to pull up the careers page and was unable. Is the window now closed?

 

Oh yeah the music has stopped. Probably no hiring for at least a year.

 

Starting up over here next month or month after next.

 

So if HAL is hiring and I currently have a CJO with Alaska, I could in theory potentially get hired with Hawaiian and start before Alaska calls me with a class date and still have a better Alaska seniority number due to the merger?

 

I understand HAL has over 100 CJOs in its own pool. Not sure if they merge CJOs while certificates are separate or how that goes down. Apparently Alaska has told us to meet our needs for hiring in the meantime, which makes sense.

 

correct. Although be warned, quite a few people who did the same thing during the last merger ended up commuting for an extended duration until the first cross-bids started occurring roughly 2 years later. Gained seniority earlier but temporarily inconvenienced in the short term