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svergin 05-15-2016 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by Mea25000 (Post 2129695)
I think this merging bit sucks! The good news is our attorney represented AWA, UAL, and DAL. Seems like he must be a pretty fair guy. If I were at VX, I wouldn't even get an attorney, sounds like the other guy must really suck.

Yes. He does. We used him. You'd be better off spinning a wheel with different SLI proposals in front of the hearing panel and just claiming that is the one you want to adopt and not doing any witnesses than using the one we used.

Your final briefing would just be a video the the wheel spinning and stopping on that choice.

NotTellin 05-15-2016 04:46 PM

I find it interesting that the loudest on this thread, created their profiles in April of this year. Nothing like a bit of keyboard courage under a new user name! As for me, MY MEC SPEAKS FOR ME!

Packrat 05-15-2016 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by full of luv (Post 2129642)
If ALPA were smart they'd make the MEC's do baseball style arbitration where each side puts forth their "best" offer to the other side and the arbitrator just picks either A or B without modifications.

The only problem with this philosophy is that if you establish the precedent in SLI negotiations you've let the baseball arbitration camel's nose under the tent.

Companies would love, Love, LOVE baseball arbitration for the rest of your contracts, especially if you've got an NC who doesn't properly prepare.


Originally Posted by NotTellin (Post 2129712)
As for me, MY MEC SPEAKS FOR ME!

Hopefully your MEC has the balls to go hammer and tongs against seniority windfall gains.

Molon Labe 05-15-2016 05:29 PM

With those 3 guys as arbitrators all you are going to get is ratio...especially if management puts their thumb on the scale at the outset of hearings....Baseball style can be very heavy handed ala Delta NWA

ArcticDog 05-15-2016 05:55 PM


Originally Posted by Mea25000 (Post 2129695)
We better grow like crazy once this merger is done, I think it's the only thing that will fix all the butt hurt that's about to take place.

Oh, we will grow like crazy, how does 85 EMB-175 sound?

BOHICA

full of luv 05-16-2016 04:13 AM


Originally Posted by Mea25000 (Post 2129695)
It is going to be real hard for me to watch a 30 year guy paired with a 9 year CA at VX, I don't think any merger has seen such a disparity. Can you imagine how our FA's are going to handle it. This place is going to be screwed up! I guess I have 28 years to watch the dust settle, and I am sure it finally will.

I think the disparity in the AWA/US Air merger was also very large. No doubt the disparities make for a much more painful process.

Flitestar 05-16-2016 04:20 AM

Guys, honest question just out of curiosity...

Is there any chance the certificates could be kept separate and have AS just operate both airlines independently, without integration?

Packrat 05-16-2016 05:41 AM


Originally Posted by Flitestar (Post 2129894)
Guys, honest question just out of curiosity...

Is there any chance the certificates could be kept separate and have AS just operate both airlines independently, without integration?

Certainly, setting up a classic whipsaw. Its not past AS management to do that either. When they bought Jet America, they threatened the pilot group with shrinking Alaska and expanding Jet America if the pilots didn't accept a concessionary contract.

If you don't think they'd at least make the threat, check out what they just got finished doing to Horizon over the E175 flying.

full of luv 05-16-2016 06:03 AM


Originally Posted by Molon Labe (Post 2129732)
With those 3 guys as arbitrators all you are going to get is ratio...especially if management puts their thumb on the scale at the outset of hearings....Baseball style can be very heavy handed ala Delta NWA

Baseball style has nothing to do with the number of arbitrators... it forces each MEC to essentially make "their best offer" and then someone (1-100 arbitrators) picks just one side in it's entirety without changes.

DAL/NWA was absolutely not baseball style arbitration. Both sides made typical case for why they deserved top spots (generalization) and then the arbitrator did an SLI based on arguments, taking some from DAL and some from NWA.

Baseball style would force each MEC to realize an equitable/plausible solution to it's own members, as not to risk outright losing with over demands. This would create much less hostility between the groups as grownups running the merger committees on each side would explain realities to their own constituencies vice promising the moon and blaming the other side/arbitrator when it didn't come to fruition.

As Pack said before, the threat is that mgmt would want to use the same process in negotiating contracts.

Singlecoil 05-16-2016 06:58 AM


Originally Posted by Mea25000 (Post 2129695)
Can you imagine how our FA's are going to handle it. This place is going to be screwed up! I guess I have 28 years to watch the dust settle, and I am sure it finally will.

I was wondering how the flight attendant merger will go as well. Does McCaskill-Bond apply to them at all? Will the virgin FA's just get stapled? I think they are non-Union, but I could be wrong.


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