Management ask: Furlough 40%, forgo seniority
04-28-2020, 08:08 AM
#91
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Originally Posted by KIGECA97531
What happens if they ignore the contract and furlough out of seniority? File a grievance? Ya okay, see ya in 18 months when this is all over. Our contract has no teeth here at the fly now/grieve later airline.
04-28-2020, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by KIGECA97531
What happens if they ignore the contract and furlough out of seniority? File a grievance? Ya okay, see ya in 18 months when this is all over. Our contract has no teeth here at the fly now/grieve later airline.
In the scenario you mention I believe that would be a major dispute and we would go on strike.
04-28-2020, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by grnclvrs
I see them announcing the base closures and that they will furlough by base. Then have a systemwide bump and flush bid so they can say that the transfers were voluntary.
Originally Posted by labbats
All airlines and unions operate that way.
In the scenario you mention I believe that would be a major dispute and we would go on strike.
In the scenario you mention I believe that would be a major dispute and we would go on strike.
04-28-2020, 11:02 AM
#94
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Two different levels of contract violations when you’re talking about furloughing out of order and not paying overtime correctly. One’s excessive speeding all over it which they do all the time because they can and the other is capital murder.
04-28-2020, 09:36 PM
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Typical Maury. He wants the shock and awe of the gut punch. That is his way of managing your expectations. It gets everybody all riled up and you become indignant but, like it or not, he gets into your mind and plants a stake. That can alter outcomes.
His entire modus when I was there was to overstep his bounds until he's pushed back into his corner. He'll do this with everybody. The government, his employees, the cities he serves. It's an audacious, confrontational manner and it yields results. How you counter this will determine the future course of the pilot workgroup at Allegiant.
A quote from Gattaca:
"You want to know how I did it? This is how I did it, Anton: I never saved anything for the swim back."
His entire modus when I was there was to overstep his bounds until he's pushed back into his corner. He'll do this with everybody. The government, his employees, the cities he serves. It's an audacious, confrontational manner and it yields results. How you counter this will determine the future course of the pilot workgroup at Allegiant.
A quote from Gattaca:
"You want to know how I did it? This is how I did it, Anton: I never saved anything for the swim back."
04-29-2020, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by WhaleSurfing
The Union and pilots would file an injunction and obtain a Temporary Restraining Order. That’s a “No-Brainer”! Even scumbag Maury won’t try this stupid move as a court would rule against him in very short order.
The company wasn't asking, they were telling the union what they plan to do. And yes it would mean nuclear war.
04-29-2020, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by WhaleSurfing
The Union and pilots would file an injunction and obtain a Temporary Restraining Order. That’s a “No-Brainer”! Even scumbag Maury won’t try this stupid move as a court would rule against him in very short order.
Agree with what you say maybe not a slam-dunk tho.....seen too many sure-things go awry....
04-29-2020, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by FreshWater
That’s why I laugh when I hear pilots agreeing to help management. They got plenty enough money to pay their scumbag HarrisonFord lawyers.
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