FreshWater

I like these numbers. Management scare tactics FAIL. We’re some of the lowest if not the lowest percentage of eto takers, but being the highest paid employee group, management would like us to be the highest of course. They definitely got the FAs shaking it in their panties, but that’s to be expected. Well done. Full pay until the last day & fupm.

MasterJapanese

Hi all,

I've worked at Allegiant for many years in the HQ and have a pretty good idea how the operation works but I'm not in management. I'm not a pilot but I have respect for what you do since I have flying time myself.

Even though most HQ people are working from home, many of our workload has increased since this all started. Every single week management is asking us to completely redo all of our processes or do new projects we've never done before to try and save a buck which is completely understandable. Other departments such as Maintenance are now doing many tasks we’ve outsourced to heavy maintenance companies to stay busy and save money.

I'm a bit disappointed with all the discussion here and hope you're just the vocal minority. It seems like many are dead set on "If I'm going down, I'm taking everyone else with me" and "******* Management" mentality. Hate to say it but there's going to be plenty of pilots looking for work with all the furloughs are firings that are about to happen. I guarantee you that dozens of pilots will be lined up to take your job at less pay/benefits/no contract with no questions asked.

I'm not exactly sure what pilots are doing right now when we're only flying 10% of our fleet so I can only assume you're sitting on your couch right now collecting a 6-figure salary and brushing up on your ground school. When looking at your pay & hours from the contract, the average FO at Allegiant makes more than the average Manager in the HQ, and the average Captain makes more than the average Director in the HQ (not saying you're overpaid with what you do and your responsibilities, just stating the facts). Yes, I know flight training is expensive but so are bachelor’s degrees and master’s degrees to get many jobs in the HQ. You also have a much higher & specialized benefits package than the rest of the company, such as a better 401k.

From the email Rebecca just sent out, it appears the lowest paid people (HQ, Flight Attendants) are taking voluntary actions to help while the highest paid people (pilots) are not. I’d like to see your proof if you think the #’s are BS and she’s just blatantly lying to our faces.

Sorry if I sounded so negative but I’m a bit upset as a fellow employee wondering if I’m going to have a job on October 1st or not. If you don’t agree with my thoughts, please help me understand why. I'm just thankful I still have a job right now. I’m just seeing a lot of tin-foil hat conspiracy theories here but a fact I do know is that we’re in one of the hardest-hit businesses just trying to survive something worse than 9/11 or the recent recession. I’m pretty sure you need Allegiant more right now than Allegiant needs you (for everyone, not just pilots).

Clearedforils

So, what are you trying to say exactly? We should all just ignore everything that's going on, call it just another management scare tactic, as you put it, and go about our business's, which is really 'no business' these days?

While, I am no management, infact just a measely line pilot, and even I can see this is unsustainable. The company is trying to be as transparent (with this) as they legally can, and I don't think any of us wants to see a pink slip, come October. So before, you attack & scream hearsay about the 'transparent remark' and continue with your "incessant" chest thumping of ''Full pay till the last day'', at least grace us with, what real-world solution, do you have, if any at all? Because, honestly, you"re starting to sound like a broken, out of tune trumpet.

sqwkvfr

Don’t bother. So many of these types are just looking for something to feed their confirmation bias and anything that runs contrary gets screamed down like a conservative appearing on The View.

KIGECA97531

Oh man. First of all, nice 1st post. By all means, jump right in and start trolling right away. Is that you Maury?

"I have worked in HQ for a long time, but "I'm not in management" (yeah right). However, you pilots are lazy and make too much money. I'll now quote the letter from the manager who shamed you lazy pilots to the whole company". That pretty much sums up your rant.

Between this, and the other communication we have received the last few days, management proved they read these forums.

All I have to address your post it this: Our union leadership made it clear that we aren't giving more concessions at this time beyond what we have already given. We have already taken big pay cuts going to minimum pay. Many of us did actually take the voluntary leave that was sold as, wait for it, voluntary. We extended the bid timeline which gave the company ample time to trim the schedule and could have saved a 6 figure sum. But instead they thumbed their nose at us and did nothing with the time, then complained about the pilot group bidding the schedule they published.

If you think pilots make too much and work too little, you could have gone to flight school too. You could have devoted the decade or more most of us took to even get to this job. You could take check rides and medical exams twice a year that could force you out at any time ending your career you've worked decades for. You could be sitting in the cockpit with a plane full of passengers trying to un**** the situation those at HQ left you with everyone staring at you pointing at their watches. Bluntly, if you think we make too much tough luck. Your veiled threat that we will all lose our jobs and plenty of pilots can replace us, bring it on. I hope they do a better job but most likely you'll see more of the same. Maybe you don't know, but pilots are forced to retire at age 65. Retirements are still happening. In a year or two, then this corona panic passes, we will be right back to a pilot shortage. You're overplaying your hand. Threats and fear won't get us to budge, it will only make us dig in further. You may as well stop. If you come to our leadership with a reasonable proposal and respectfully treat us as business partners (not subordinates) then maybe we can talk. Until then, let the chips fall where they may. This forum is definitely a vocal minority but I think most pilots would rather lose this job and leave the industry than see the job not worth coming back to after the last decade where all we saw was stagnation and loss of pay and benefits. Maybe we are "Just another ******* airline" after all.

labbats

Better move would have been not to respond.

KIGECA97531

Take your own advice? Why let misinformation go unchecked. This is the forums after all. If they choose to take us on here then they get what they get.

labbats

You won’t change their mind.

We will always be overpaid and underworked to them. We all know better.

Imagine how much louder a response it would have been had no one even bothered to respond. Shunning is much more powerful than outrage.

CLMP

Man, Ford Harrison used to do a MUCH better job with these types of emails......

MasterJapanese

Wow I guess saying anything negative towards pilots pulling temper tantrums automatically makes me Allegiant management. If only it was that easy in real life haha. I’ll back off a bit then. Apologies for my first “troll” post. I was just trying to give a different perspective from a fellow employee.

Again I was a bit upset because I just want a job on Oct 1st, but from lurking on these forums it appears we have pilots who are purposely hurting the company just to “send a message to management” which in turn affects me and my livelihood as well. Even if management deserves it, personally I just don’t think right now is the appropriate time to be doubling down on all your demands when you now hold less cards than ever before. Any other time when the company isn’t losing 2 millions dollar a day I’d say have at it.

To be honest I’m not a fan of some management decisions myself such as the swamp hotel, family “fun” centers, the stadium naming, and even the past stock buybacks. We may very well have had half a billion in the bank if none of those happened and could have lasted another 12 months. Our management should know this is a volatile industry and could have prepared better but frankly I’m just as guilty myself.

Hope things work out for you all~