Questions for line pilots
07-05-2021, 10:52 AM
#24
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2016
Position: CRJ FO
Posts: 207
Originally Posted by CAirBear
LMFAO!
You really are a moron if you TRULY believe this BS. I mean really dude. REEEEALLLY? 🤦🏻♂️
You are correct. I contemplate suicide daily for having left. It’s a miracle I’m still around!
I left with more than 2 weeks notice. I still talk to EN (believe what you want) and am friendly with him. If I truly cared (not that It would ever happen) I would simply try and reapply. Trust me. If that happens I’ll personally send you the screenshot of my application.
Also not sure why anyone would act like attrition being 1 a month is some bragging right. Unless your really clueless there has been ZERO hiring for the last 14 months.
I can guarantee you attrition will be going up very much so in the coming months and year. Every legacy is talking of 80-100 a month later this fall. They had a ton of guys retire early (with that sweet deal) and now appear to be hurt.
For the millionth time, I’m simply telling people that what I hated about Allegiant. Literally eveyone on here has said to come here in with “eyes wide open”.
My recommendation is to read all of these threads carefully and know what life really is like there and then decide.
It may be the best job you ever had, or it may not be. That’s okay either way. One mans trash is another’s treasure. It wasn’t for me and over half my newhire class, but for the few left it is.
Again that’s okay! Just make sure you do very thorough research. Good luck everyone.
You really are a moron if you TRULY believe this BS. I mean really dude. REEEEALLLY? 🤦🏻♂️
You are correct. I contemplate suicide daily for having left. It’s a miracle I’m still around!
I left with more than 2 weeks notice. I still talk to EN (believe what you want) and am friendly with him. If I truly cared (not that It would ever happen) I would simply try and reapply. Trust me. If that happens I’ll personally send you the screenshot of my application.
Also not sure why anyone would act like attrition being 1 a month is some bragging right. Unless your really clueless there has been ZERO hiring for the last 14 months.
I can guarantee you attrition will be going up very much so in the coming months and year. Every legacy is talking of 80-100 a month later this fall. They had a ton of guys retire early (with that sweet deal) and now appear to be hurt.
For the millionth time, I’m simply telling people that what I hated about Allegiant. Literally eveyone on here has said to come here in with “eyes wide open”.
My recommendation is to read all of these threads carefully and know what life really is like there and then decide.
It may be the best job you ever had, or it may not be. That’s okay either way. One mans trash is another’s treasure. It wasn’t for me and over half my newhire class, but for the few left it is.
Again that’s okay! Just make sure you do very thorough research. Good luck everyone.
fly off the handle, it only makes it more entertaining
07-06-2021, 09:06 AM
#27
It's 5 o'clock somewhere
Joined APC: Oct 2020
Posts: 1,855
I guess the question I’d have to ask those trying to come here, is why come here and be the lowest paid Airbus pilots in the USA, and get treated like dirt by management, when you could literally go to any other major airline right now? The only advantage we have is that if you live in a base and could actually get there then fly day trips and be home every night. That’s it. Every airline has it better than us except for that. It’s been very clear that new hires can’t count on getting based where they want to be, so I don’t know what else we have. Unless they plan on hiring CFIs in the next couple years, management is going to have to get off the dime, bring us up to industry standard, and honor the agreements they sign. Until then, I can’t recommend anyone come here unless they are into masochism or have no other options.
07-06-2021, 11:22 AM
#28
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2017
Posts: 131
Originally Posted by Margaritaville
I guess the question I’d have to ask those trying to come here, is why come here and be the lowest paid Airbus pilots in the USA, and get treated like dirt by management, when you could literally go to any other major airline right now? The only advantage we have is that if you live in a base and could actually get there then fly day trips and be home every night. That’s it. Every airline has it better than us except for that. It’s been very clear that new hires can’t count on getting based where they want to be, so I don’t know what else we have. Unless they plan on hiring CFIs in the next couple years, management is going to have to get off the dime, bring us up to industry standard, and honor the agreements they sign. Until then, I can’t recommend anyone come here unless they are into masochism or have no other options.
07-06-2021, 02:12 PM
#29
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Position: A-320
Posts: 680
Originally Posted by Greybush
Why do you still work here?
All of my post on here may come across here as negative but I'm actually just trying to keep it real. I have never posted my personal experience here because it would be misleading and give a new hire false expectations. I was given 2 CJO's in the same week, it was not easy but I chose G4 over an offer from 1 of the big 3. My timing was extremely lucky, hired in 2014, upgrade was less than 1 year, I moved rapidly up the list with high attrition and the airline doubling in 2.5 years, my base grew significantly, pay was terrible but a new contract came and life was good. Yes I have had days where I wish I took the other offer just so I could be treated as a professional, not have to ride in a company ordered lyft, constantly fight pay errors and file grievances monthly but I would not change my decision if I could. Being home daily with the wife to see our kids grow up is priceless to me.
This type of progression is not even remotely possible for a new hire today. More than half of the FO's I fly with are actively updating their apps with some being very disgruntled. A lot of them feel they were given misleading information and regret coming here. They did not understand that the majority of future growth will not be in the older bases and they won't upgrade for a very long time in the base they want, they didn't realize it could take a couple years to get their home town base and when they finally do they could be TDY's out. Most importantly they underestimated just how un-commutable and non tradeable the junior schedules are. A lot of junior schedules only allow you to only be home 1 or 2 full days per month as a commuter, especially in the summer. This is why I post what I post and don't portray how much I enjoy the job here. The gap between junior and senior, no growth base vs growing and a base structure with an average on only 22 crews per base is vastly different from any other airline in the country. I just want new hires to fully understand what they are getting themselves into before they accept a CJO, whether they are coming here as a stepping stone or for a career.
07-06-2021, 02:28 PM
#30
It's 5 o'clock somewhere
Joined APC: Oct 2020
Posts: 1,855
Originally Posted by KC135
I'm sure Margarita will answer with some combination of seniority, qol, age, home based and the fact that making lateral moves in our industry with respect to seat/longevity/seniority is not possible. What he says has merit and shouldn't be taken lightly, he's giving honest perspective to a potential new hire today with multiple CJO's.
All of my post on here may come across here as negative but I'm actually just trying to keep it real. I have never posted my personal experience here because it would be misleading and give a new hire false expectations. I was given 2 CJO's in the same week, it was not easy but I chose G4 over an offer from 1 of the big 3. My timing was extremely lucky, hired in 2014, upgrade was less than 1 year, I moved rapidly up the list with high attrition and the airline doubling in 2.5 years, my base grew significantly, pay was terrible but a new contract came and life was good. Yes I have had days where I wish I took the other offer just so I could be treated as a professional, not have to ride in a company ordered lyft, constantly fight pay errors and file grievances monthly but I would not change my decision if I could. Being home daily with the wife to see our kids grow up is priceless to me.
This type of progression is not even remotely possible for a new hire today. More than half of the FO's I fly with are actively updating their apps with some being very disgruntled. A lot of them feel they were given misleading information and regret coming here. They did not understand that the majority of future growth will not be in the older bases and they won't upgrade for a very long time in the base they want, they didn't realize it could take a couple years to get their home town base and when they finally do they could be TDY's out. Most importantly they underestimated just how un-commutable and non tradeable the junior schedules are. A lot of junior schedules only allow you to only be home 1 or 2 full days per month as a commuter, especially in the summer. This is why I post what I post and don't portray how much I enjoy the job here. The gap between junior and senior, no growth base vs growing and a base structure with an average on only 22 crews per base is vastly different from any other airline in the country. I just want new hires to fully understand what they are getting themselves into before they accept a CJO, whether they are coming here as a stepping stone or for a career.
All of my post on here may come across here as negative but I'm actually just trying to keep it real. I have never posted my personal experience here because it would be misleading and give a new hire false expectations. I was given 2 CJO's in the same week, it was not easy but I chose G4 over an offer from 1 of the big 3. My timing was extremely lucky, hired in 2014, upgrade was less than 1 year, I moved rapidly up the list with high attrition and the airline doubling in 2.5 years, my base grew significantly, pay was terrible but a new contract came and life was good. Yes I have had days where I wish I took the other offer just so I could be treated as a professional, not have to ride in a company ordered lyft, constantly fight pay errors and file grievances monthly but I would not change my decision if I could. Being home daily with the wife to see our kids grow up is priceless to me.
This type of progression is not even remotely possible for a new hire today. More than half of the FO's I fly with are actively updating their apps with some being very disgruntled. A lot of them feel they were given misleading information and regret coming here. They did not understand that the majority of future growth will not be in the older bases and they won't upgrade for a very long time in the base they want, they didn't realize it could take a couple years to get their home town base and when they finally do they could be TDY's out. Most importantly they underestimated just how un-commutable and non tradeable the junior schedules are. A lot of junior schedules only allow you to only be home 1 or 2 full days per month as a commuter, especially in the summer. This is why I post what I post and don't portray how much I enjoy the job here. The gap between junior and senior, no growth base vs growing and a base structure with an average on only 22 crews per base is vastly different from any other airline in the country. I just want new hires to fully understand what they are getting themselves into before they accept a CJO, whether they are coming here as a stepping stone or for a career.
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