Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3558025)

So why are you here if not for the day trips? Seriously, what other reasons are out there to stay/come here but for the day trips/home every night model? I honestly can’t think of any other reason why one would choose this place over all other options that are out there?

Originally Posted by Squeakygreaser (Post 3558002)

Has the Union passed a scheduling section to management? I'm having a sinking feeling that we haven't actually written it, you can only blame MG so much if you can't put in legal language what your asking for.

Originally Posted by Spdbrd (Post 3558158)

I believe the Union has passed drafts of all sections to the company. The company has so far responded with “comprehensive packages” that are in most instances regressive.

Originally Posted by Jmeikle263 (Post 3558029)

Does allegiant hire restricted atp applications? I know frontier doesn't specify, but they do.

Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3557953)

heard from a source that yesterday management finally started getting serious on pay. MG passed rates that were competitive to Alaska's. when asked what "competitive" with Alaska meant I was told: that some years/steps were higher and others were lower.

not trying to get hopes up, just sharing what i am hearing (Marg i will be sorely disappointed if you don't chime in and accuse me of being a management tool, who is guilty of ruining pilots' lives by stringing them along).

scheduling/work rules were not talked about at all this week. imo that means there is still a grand canyon separating management and the union on scheduling, work rules, etc.

Apparently management told the union that they want to make another offer on all the scheduling sections the first week of january.

Originally Posted by tailendcharlie (Post 3557980)

LOL not even Alaska pilots are happy with the new & quickly obsolete Alaska rates…

But that aside, I agree the work rules have always been, and will be, the real sticking point. The long laundry list of much needed industry standard work rules are going to run smack dab into management need to keep it “special”, “different”, and “flexible”. Industry standard scheduling, reserve, and hours of service sections means the end of Allegiant being Allegiant. I don’t see this being resolved anytime soon and not outside of mediation & all it entails up to incl. self-help.

Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3557984)

I have no desire for "industry standard" scheduling if that means no more day trips. I don't know a single pilot here who wants multi day trips and crappy hotel rooms 10-15 times a month - the only thing keeping most of us here or coming here are the single day trips. If go to an "industry standard" scheduling process and get rid of what makes us "different" then you can definitely kiss this place goodbye (could you imagine crew services trying to schedule multi day trips? half the pilots would be "lost" because crew services would have no idea where we are).

i forget who mentioned it, but one thing i will be looking for in the contract are some assurances that we do NOT change the scheduling model to be industry standard - aka keep it exclusively day trips. That is way more important to me and the pilots i talk with than any other scheduling practice/work rule. If you are not here for the day trips and home every night then why in the world are you here??? there is literally nothing else this place has to offer...

Originally Posted by Vettekid (Post 3558267)

Not sure it was me specifically, but I have said in the past we should write something into the contract that gives premium pay for any trips requiring overnight. My thought is that basically an overnight trip bumps the pay up to industry leading rates (or slightly more) and day trip rates are a bit below that. That gives an incentive for management to continue with day trips (cheaper for them) and compensates us appropriately should an overnihgt be required. I imagine there will be plenty to volunteer for the premium pay and covefrage wont be an issue (heck i would take a few here and there). But I am happy to leave a little money on the table in favor of being home at night!

Originally Posted by Vettekid (Post 3558264)

Id be thrilled with something that bounced around Alaska's rates. At the 5yr FO thats over a 50% raise.