Originally Posted by KC135 (Post 3556205)

Nope, you've been out voted on this one. No second tier ULCC pilot rates will go out for vote, sorry.

Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3556208)

I didn’t know we already voted??? IBT must have the wrong address for me… oh well.

Originally Posted by Greyhound89 (Post 3556150)

We're allegiant, can we quit with this whole "industry leading" garbage? Don't get me wrong, I want all the money they'll throw our way, the work rule improvements we need and the ancillary benefits (disability, 401k, etc.) but if you want industry leading compared to Delta? Go to Delta. It isn't going to happen here and spreading this misnomer that it will is only going to lead to hurt feelings and a baseless "no" vote on any AIP shown to us.

This high school teen drama is totally warranted, I even asked my high school teen what they would say in this situation. We are PAYING AR to do a job and he's surrounding himself at the table with scarily under-qualified people. It's all good though, I'm sure our team of trail lawyers and culinary union negotiators do an excellent job when they aren't drinking with AR.

Originally Posted by Vettekid (Post 3556227)

I kind of agree with you. Not because "hey, its allegiant". But more that I'm willing to leave some money on the table in favor of the quality of life that comes with being home at night. That's something you won't get at delta. And allegiant has better basing for me, but that's subjective. But the pay needs to be much closer for sure.

Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3556208)

I didn’t know we already voted??? IBT must have the wrong address for me… oh well.

Originally Posted by Vettekid (Post 3556227)

I kind of agree with you. Not because "hey, its allegiant". But more that I'm willing to leave some money on the table in favor of the quality of life that comes with being home at night. That's something you won't get at delta. And allegiant has better basing for me, but that's subjective. But the pay needs to be much closer for sure.

Originally Posted by Greyhound89 (Post 3556212)

I think it's been made abundantly clear at this point, MG isn't afraid to throw money at the problem. What he isn't going to do is recreate our business model to welcome "industry leading" work rule changes. But if that's what you're waiting for, I'd start probing our second tier negotiating board as to when it's going to happen. If you think that an NMB contract will bring it, you're hallucinating.

Originally Posted by tailendcharlie (Post 3556235)

And that QOL you traded $$$ for could be gone in a heartbeat; it’s an aircraft routing strategy the co. can chuck at any time, not a negotiated benefit.

Originally Posted by Vettekid (Post 3556413)

I get that, but I also think a lot of pilots came here for that specifically. So why don't we push for that in the contract. Premium rate for anything overnight that would put us on par with Delta, et al. Day trip is still in the companies interest and pilots are compensate if it goes away.

I get that it's not a perfect strategy, but it's a fact of life. I want to be home more than I'm gone and I'm willing to sacrifice pay to get it. I'm betting there are a lot of others who would agree.

Originally Posted by j3cub (Post 3556420)

Agree,...................