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Losamigos 07-11-2022 04:14 PM

At what point is this not "bargaining in good faith" ?

tom11011 07-11-2022 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by Losamigos (Post 3458940)
At what point is this not "bargaining in good faith" ?

It’s really our own faults for expecting Allegiant to be like other airlines but that has never been the case and it never will.

JediCheese 07-11-2022 05:19 PM


Originally Posted by 9easy (Post 3458938)
Unfortunately I think this is the green light to captains who were thinking of going, but waiting for a new contract to hold them back. It's not going to happen, and it's time to move.

That's the read I got too. 9 Year captain leaving and they've only agreed on the sections that were easy. Company isn't being serious with powerful negotiators in the room and is instead sending seat warmers.

I also wonder how much of this is due to our weak contract and the 737 transition. The company can abuse the language in the contract to help manage staffing with seat locks and displacement bids.

160to4 07-11-2022 07:36 PM


Originally Posted by FreshWater (Post 3453515)
Impossible. Everybody knows when given the opportunity to cast an anonymous vote pilots will always choose any pay raise, even at the expense of any other section.


That’s what UPS did for so long that all they have now is dolla bills!

Jim Rockford 07-11-2022 07:56 PM

A tiger doesn’t change his stripes, and neither does Maury Gallagher!

Maurice Gallagher is virulently anti-union and his number one goal is not to get a contract.

“ Unionization is one of those things that clogs the arteries and makes you less quick and not as nimble as you need to be on top of your game.” - MG

Anti-Union Allegiant CEO Lives His Worst Dream: Teamster Pilots

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed...h=58d5a3e3259f


Might want to dust off those kabuki dance shoes! 🤣

G4slumdod 07-11-2022 08:31 PM


Originally Posted by 9easy (Post 3458938)
Unfortunately I think this is the green light to captains who were thinking of going, but waiting for a new contract to hold them back. It's not going to happen, and it's time to move.

So you're leaving or just telling everyone else to?

KC135 07-11-2022 09:35 PM


Originally Posted by 160to4 (Post 3459016)
That’s what UPS did for so long that all they have now is dolla bills!

They do have some of the best work rules in the industry. 81 hour min guarantee, company paid LTD until 65, pension AND 12% DC, 1 week vacation can get you the whole month off with line bidding. The kind of soft pay you will never see at G4, ever.

captnate702 07-11-2022 11:03 PM


Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 3458947)
It’s really our own faults for expecting Allegiant to be like other airlines but that has never been the case and it never will.

What airline is getting a new contract in this environment in less than 3 years?? For those who though this would be less than 3 years y’all are super naive. Nothing has been a surprise.

The union negotiating committee is committed and hard working but also dreadfully inexperienced. No one on our side has ever been in section 6 negotiations (including our lawyer). Plus, Management’s playbook is to slow play and stall negotiations so we get a raise in 2025 at the earliest. Anybody who actually thought we’d get a deal done soon is naive.

AR won’t pass rates or compensation until UA or AA get a TA ratified because of the leapfrogging that happened last time we were the first to agree and then got left in the dust. Exco doesn’t want a deal done soon and neither does management. This whole dog and pony show was to try and get through the summer and wait for the recession to hit. Honestly at this point management probably got what they wanted.

All the ops issues we’ve had have been caused by flight attendants not pilots. Management is probably more focused on flight attendant getting done because that will help the operation more than pilot pay and it will cost a fraction.

IFartInYourSeat 07-11-2022 11:13 PM


Originally Posted by G4slumdod (Post 3459028)
So you're leaving or just telling everyone else to?

Well, I’m gone. Once my PRIA clears I’m not looking back after today.

Margaritaville 07-12-2022 06:42 AM

And you guys accuse me of doom and gloom all the time. Guess I called this one.

Yes, this is your cue to update your applications. This bus is going nowhere and you're going to miss the next one if you don't get going.


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