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310skying 06-20-2022 02:57 PM


Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3444459)
looks like what TT sent out was mostly true: 3x for some OT and 2x in premium pay (JA pay and OT on vacation is crumbs at best)...

I know AR and exco have their reasons for this, but it is rough when somebody who doesn't fly but takes a line anyway and has only seen pay raises during the pandemic tell me that i am not allowed to make double and triple. when there are no concessions being asked for (which from what i've seen on fb there weren't), then let the pilot group decide whether they want to make some extra $$$ during the worst inflation in 40 years.

Or... make sure a new contract and pay raise is around the corner. don't tell me that i can't make extra money now AND that i will have to wait 3-4 more years for a raise.

and all you AR worshippers, don't tell me that this will motivate the company to get a deal done sooner. we are no where close to a new contract. the union has not put forth one economic proposal (and don't plan to until the United numbers are made public). we are years away from a contract so please let me make some extra money in the meantime to take the sting away.

Hello management/ pilot in the top 100 who only thinks of themselves, I guess we all know to never trust anything from this profile name ever again

captnate702 06-20-2022 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by 310skying (Post 3444516)
Hello management/ pilot in the top 100 who only thinks of themselves, I guess we all know to never trust anything from this profile name ever again

Or i'm not a worshipper of the union or the company - just a pilot who'd like to have the option of picking up and making some extra $$$. i'm nowhere near senior enough to get VFNs so being able to pick up OT at a premium would have been nice. same with making some extra on the premium pay.

but go ahead keyboard ninja and label me management because i don't only drink the kool-aid.

have you spoken to anyone at the union about negotiations and if we are close to a deal? try it, really grill them on it and they'll tell you that we are no where close to a contract. the union is intentionally dragging their feet on putting out their compensation proposals to wait and see what United's is. why does that matter, because it shows that if you have a brain you'd realize that we are a long way from a contract and a raise. given we are years away, i'd like the opportunity to make some extra cash.

captnate702 06-20-2022 03:35 PM


Originally Posted by trvsmrtn (Post 3444481)
Im a first year and I have a hard time picking up open time trips. Why? 10 day off month, my days off are Tue and Wed every week plus 2 extras, and then a ****load of reserve. Anything in open time is on a day I have a RAP.

if you're a first year then you also have your app out to every legacy if you're smart...

310skying 06-20-2022 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3444525)
Or i'm not a worshipper of the union or the company - just a pilot who'd like to have the option of picking up and making some extra $$$. i'm nowhere near senior enough to get VFNs so being able to pick up OT at a premium would have been nice. same with making some extra on the premium pay.

but go ahead keyboard ninja and label me management because i don't only drink the kool-aid.

have you spoken to anyone at the union about negotiations and if we are close to a deal? try it, really grill them on it and they'll tell you that we are no where close to a contract. the union is intentionally dragging their feet on putting out their compensation proposals to wait and see what United's is. why does that matter, because it shows that if you have a brain you'd realize that we are a long way from a contract and a raise. given we are years away, i'd like the opportunity to make some extra cash.

if you think it’s going to be more that 9months to get a contract you should be in class at American next week. I’ll even give you the recruiters #, if you are a CA here it’s a phone interview.

captnate702 06-20-2022 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by 310skying (Post 3444533)
if you think it’s going to be more that 9months to get a contract you should be in class at American next week. I’ll even give you the recruiters #, if you are a CA here it’s a phone interview.

You don’t believe it will be more than 9 months???

trvsmrtn 06-20-2022 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3444532)
if you're a first year then you also have your app out to every legacy if you're smart...

What does that have to do with the statement to which I was replying? What I take from your statement is that if the union had accepted the proposal then I wouldn’t need to have my apps out right now because I can make a ****load of money this summer by picking up open time. I’m merely pointing out that’s not the case. Speaking on behalf of the 1st year new hires at this company, that proposal wouldn’t have done jack **** for us.

I am in a slightly better position than a vast majority of the other 1st years, and because of this, I don’t need to have my apps out; I can afford to stick around and wait for a better deal.

tailendcharlie 06-20-2022 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3444551)
You don’t believe it will be more than 9 months???

LOL more than 9 mos. just to T/A the scheduling section.

Some people need a lesson on how negotiations actually work.

Jim Rockford 06-20-2022 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by FreshWater (Post 3444499)
That little deal would have momentarily benefited the super senior cozy line holders, bidding weekends off. If the union makes an exception for the super senior, then what about the new hires?

I’d rather see more sick calls.

I see this mantra quoted over and over but its not true. Many senior peeps get passed up for VFNs due to conflicts etc. Open time is also first come first served. Seniority only takes you so far with Merlot.

tailendcharlie 06-20-2022 04:58 PM

In general, senior = lineholder living in base 15+ days off vs. junior commuting maybe on reserve minimal opportunity to consider picking up OT/VFN.

FreshWater 06-20-2022 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by Jim Rockford (Post 3444570)
I see this mantra quoted over and over but its not true. Many senior peeps get passed up for VFNs due to conflicts etc. Open time is also first come first served. Seniority only takes you so far with Merlot.

Senior and having a line. Line holders are generally senior enough. These Band-Aid deals get management out of jams in the short term, so they can take a victory lap right before the fall and bonus season. While generally only benefiting a lucky few. But, you’re on perma-reserve/perma-composite ADD days for the rest of your life.

Everyone gets a piece of the pie or no one does.


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