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bmrd 02-06-2023 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by golfbum971 (Post 3587314)
Just finished first year and my W2 said $49,000. I did two to three TDY’s to add some extra perdiem or it would have been less. Apply for assistance or get a second job. Or better yet just apply somewhere else. You’ll thank yourself later!

WOW!! Why all of y’all are in here arguing over when allegiant will get a contract (2 years+, read the RLA and understand how it works.) is beyond me!

Your peers have already been hired and upgraded at other airlines. Enjoy working at a 50% discount and having the “contract” violated on a daily basis. Perhaps you’re exactly where you belong if you are ok with that 🤔

captnate702 02-06-2023 02:16 PM


Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 3587268)
And yet airplanes manage to fly from
A to B everyday. How do you explain this?

Yep, exactly. They fly from A to B and back to A everyday. What you are proposing is flying from A to B to E sleep fly from E to W layover W to N sleep fly N to C to A (and that would be an easier routing for the legacy carriers).

You never answered my question: do you really think this scheduling team and management could run a legacy or Southwest type operation with 4-5 day trips without completely falling apart?

tom11011 02-06-2023 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3587342)
Yep, exactly. They fly from A to B and back to A everyday. What you are proposing is flying from A to B to E sleep fly from E to W layover W to N sleep fly N to C to A (and that would be an easier routing for the legacy carriers).

You never answered my question: do you really think this scheduling team and management could run a legacy or Southwest type operation with 4-5 day trips without completely falling apart?

Eventually yes. The computers figure all this out not the people, not merlot but other software. I'll just ask you, what happens when we can't staff the small 12-15 pilot bases and flights start cancelling because 3 FO's left in a week? How do we grow when the current larger bases can't overnight any more airplanes because the gates or spots are full?

310skying 02-06-2023 04:57 PM


Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 3587393)
Eventually yes. The computers figure all this out not the people, not merlot but other software. I'll just ask you, what happens when we can't staff the small 12-15 pilot bases and flights start cancelling because 3 FO's left in a week? How do we grow when the current larger bases can't overnight any more airplanes because the gates or spots are full?

they figured out how to work around this when 3-5 FOs left LAX last year. All you do is change reserve days for FOs in a fully staffed base and send them on a DH to the base that lost the FOs… then the next month, you TDY. Too many advantages from home every night for the company. Op integrity, get homeitis, and easier recrew for IROPS, just look at PVU and IWA and how the symbiosis stops it from being a full blown meltdown every day.

golfbum971 02-06-2023 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by bmrd (Post 3587338)
WOW!! Why all of y’all are in here arguing over when allegiant will get a contract (2 years+, read the RLA and understand how it works.) is beyond me!

Your peers have already been hired and upgraded at other airlines. Enjoy working at a 50% discount and having the “contract” violated on a daily basis. Perhaps you’re exactly where you belong if you are ok with that 🤔

I’m not ok with jt at all. Hence why I told the person to apply elsewhere. Delta has captains that have been on property for 4.5 months. Why would Allegaint even be an option hahaha

tom11011 02-06-2023 06:04 PM


Originally Posted by 310skying (Post 3587452)
they figured out how to work around this when 3-5 FOs left LAX last year. All you do is change reserve days for FOs in a fully staffed base and send them on a DH to the base that lost the FOs… then the next month, you TDY. Too many advantages from home every night for the company. Op integrity, get homeitis, and easier recrew for IROPS, just look at PVU and IWA and how the symbiosis stops it from being a full blown meltdown every day.

Have you considered the magnitude of what’s coming this year?

TangoIndiaMike1 02-06-2023 06:37 PM


Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3587342)
Yep, exactly. They fly from A to B and back to A everyday. What you are proposing is flying from A to B to E sleep fly from E to W layover W to N sleep fly N to C to A (and that would be an easier routing for the legacy carriers).

You never answered my question: do you really think this scheduling team and management could run a legacy or Southwest type operation with 4-5 day trips without completely falling apart?

I don't think so. Allegiant would have to be on time more. At lest right now the plane goes out and back in the morning and afternoon. IF you start flying more and having overnights then those delays will just get worse and worse.

310skying 02-06-2023 08:19 PM


Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 3587494)
Have you considered the magnitude of what’s coming this year?

yes, but our pilots have an un-satiable appetite for VFNs and we have enough fo’s to TDY or reserve pseudo TDY to make it through March (by make it I mean complete 80% of our flights and only have a mini meltdown) the real catastrophe happens when they finally do a 73 vacancy

310skying 02-06-2023 08:22 PM


Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 3587494)
Have you considered the magnitude of what’s coming this year?

we reset the entire operation every night, in every base. And even in March we have excess planes and pilots on tue, wed, and Sat to fly recovery flights that didn’t get done. Part of why we will never do overnights is our low utilization, they want to have the down days on tues and Sat to recover the op… if you have overnights that means you have to pay crews on non profitable days like Tuesdays

tailendcharlie 02-06-2023 08:28 PM

It’s always been that way so it always will be that way…..that usually works out in the long run so go ahead and stake the next couple decades of your career on that & let us know how it works out…..


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