Originally Posted by tailendcharlie (Post 3801133)

Leverage is gone, filling classes, still all the tough sections to go, sentiment is growing to rewrite work rules line-by-line. I'm back to predicting 2026 or later.

Originally Posted by Captainbfv (Post 3801166)

Leverage is gone? I hear ya, but when you say that, what do you mean exactly? Did Robles waste time and give up leverage? Time YES, leverage? Well maybe. The company knew with whom they were dealing. An idiot, a BSr, a fool that proped himself to a level that only he and a few truly believed in. The company knows what it will give to the pilot group that will benefit them and their plans. When Maury negotiated directly with that idiot (AR) he extended an olive branch to the pilots, in hopes to get Robles to grasp "The business model"; in hopes he would understand that in this business it takes some giving and taking. But Robles was so arrogant, that he missed the opportunity to find common ground and provide a win to the pilots while giving a win to the ********ng people that sign the checks.

Robles failed miserably. Has "leverage" been lost?, maybe, but only if the majority of the pilot group wants to bite the hand that feeds them. The MAJORITY OF THIS PILOT GROUP DEMANDS THESE THINGS...

1- INDUSTRY STANDARD PAY FOR A319/320
2- INDUSTRY STANDARD LTD
3- INDUSTRY STANDARD DC 401K
4- INDUSTRY LEADING SCOPE
5- INDUSTRY STANDARD MIN DAY GUARANTEE
6- INDUSTRY STANDARD DUTY RIG

KEEP ALLEGIANT WHAT MAKES ALLEGIANT. BUT COMPESATE YOUR PILOTS ACCORDINGLY!!!! You CANNOT FU*** PILOTS FOR FREE. Keep your business model, but don't think for one second that it will WON'T COST YOU. Wanna keep your business model? Pay up! Because without paying, it's straight up abuse!!!

Originally Posted by ESQ702 (Post 3801310)

If the company is serious when they say they want to grow (and they should be serious about that if they want to appease shareholders) then they better get good a deal done for us. Otherwise, FOs (and some captains) will continually jump ship to greener pastures once Boeing gets its act together and hiring picks back up more (probably sometime next year) and they won't be able to keep anyone except those who have been here too long to start over on another seniority list.

Originally Posted by tailendcharlie (Post 3801133)

Leverage is gone, filling classes, still all the tough sections to go, sentiment is growing to rewrite work rules line-by-line. I'm back to predicting 2026 or later.

Originally Posted by Herkyjerky (Post 3801424)

Hey, so I justed wanted to jump on here to clarify/ask something about classes. I'm not with the company, but I interviewed and was offered a CJO with a July class date. I just got a call, and was told that is rescinded and im back in the hiring pool until further notice. The reason cited was Boeing aircraft delays. I have seen zero info online, on forums of talking to people about this. I doubt i'm the only one, but maybe i'm the first. What do you guys make of this?

Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 3801439)

We are not taking the number of airplanes that we were promised by Boeing. In fact, this will be the second year in a row we will miss growth targets.

We were supposed to take 10 in 2023 and 24 this year. Nothing has been delivered to date.

Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 3801383)

Sooner or later the 737MAX and the Airbus with PW engines will resolve and hiring will resume in great force.

We don’t reach the peak of the retirement numbers for another 2-3 years, then the downward slope is 5 additional years of what we have been seeing.

Originally Posted by TTsGhost (Post 3801352)

I don't disagree with much of what you said.
However I do find it humorous when someone starts to talk about the company in regards to what they can and cannot do haha. Yes, they have all the leverage they need to keep doing whatever the hell the want. They can absolutely continue to FU** pilots for free (or at the current rate).
Here's what why:
- Classes are filled
- Hiring is shrinking at present time but even if/when it ramps back up they'll fill classes no problem
- Profits are still flowing just fine
- Attrition is dropped tremendosly.
- They don't care if it's "abuse" and apparently we don't either because... attrition is fine.