Ah, another pilot that can't move on. If things are so great where you're at, why live on the allegiant forums? This sudden insinuation that I was furloughed from the legacy I was at is as comical as the rest of the statements made on here. I'm not sure if you're just a 20 something that hasn't figured this out yet, but it doesn't matter which carrier you're at, seniority is everything and being the plug can suck regardless of what ship you're on.

Now this statement that marg and I work for a different airline is a half truth. Marg chose his Florida base, just as everyone else based down there did. The work rules aren't a secret, and neither is that he and I are in a similar "bracket" of seniority. What is a secret is that he'll never be the one to tell you he chooses to stay, or perhaps he's not capable of leaving. I don't blame him, the sun, the water, the ability to see his family every night. He knows as do the rest of you that if you leave, you won't see day trips at another carrier for years.

Viva: It will likely get approved. Have we seen anything from IBT aside from the poorly written rant of a DOT filing? We haven't. The sad reality is that 2118 had the opportunity to really paint a d*mn*ng picture of the company in response to the DOT comment period, but instead they submitted a 1 page letter that comes across as a midnight message to an ex lover's new partner. Meanwhile, every ALPA carrier, SWAPA, APA are all playing directly to the consumer. At this point, the best we can hope for is that the company is truthful in their DOT filings and they truly do intend on having us flying to the beaches. Perhaps they lie, but lying in federal filings is a bit more costly than bending the reserve rules that we wrote.

Its interesting that you say you're not management, yet the bull that you spout comes from someone who is in that area. Either that or you are one of the 'have' pilots at allegiant and not one of the 'have not' pilots.

You were either willing to move or you live in a base where you hold seniority - good for you. Many do not/can not enjoy that quality of life here. And contrary to your spin, the information is not readily available for a new hire that you will be a 'have not' for many years, or you have to up-root your family to become a low level 'have'.

So if Marg (or anyone else) tells the truth about their qol, and it stops someone from coming here and finding out the hard way that they wasted a year or two of their life, then good on them. Most will not find the utopia that you have found.

And quit telling people to move on. When someone moves is up to them and can be determined by a great number of factors beyond your lack of reasoning. Its kind of discussing that you think if someone is not happy they should contain it or move. They are helping others. You on the other hand are harming others. Take your head out of your ass, go be home every night in your bed with your wife, and allow the potential new hires learn what is up with this place.

The only reason this guy wants you to come here folks is because if you don't he might not be senior enough tomorrow.

This is the funniest part, the only reason I want people to come is so I retain seniority? Get real, pal. You're truly clueless. "Be Realistic" with yourself and use that brain.

as someone with no skin in this game at all but briefly considered allegiant, you do come off as a koolaid dispenser. resorting to ad hominem attacks in response to legitimate questions about your intentions doesn’t help you appear more credible.

as someone 20 minutes away from a junior allegiant base i’m glad i said no and chose to commute for another airline. i’m a lazy homebody and love to be at home, so i’m the ideal candidate for allegiant, but it seems to be the dumpster fire among majors atm.

I’ve got news for you: it actually is greener on the other side. Just because your “experience” at a legacy was likely during an industry downturn doesn’t make that experience valid today. As for flying your jet and then going home to see your family? This is yet another tired line from someone who is unwilling to accept what the rest of the industry has evolved into. You can do day trips even at the legacies, and it’s not just the senior people getting those trips. Being home every night is not unique to Allegiant any more. And another perk at the legacies? You can drop trips and work a skeleton schedule in order to spend more time at home or manage a side business. When was the last time you saw drops available at G4?

Or you can just keep living in denial…

Totally. If I was a junior FO commuting or being TDYed every single time there's a TDY it would be silly to not try to jump elsewhere where you can build seniority fast. But for many of us that are closer to a decade and FIIIINALLY settled somewhere it's a bit tough to just pull the plug because morale is low and there's uncertainty about certain current circumstances. So for now, many of us (I'm) are being patient and not ready to call it quits, go back to commuting or at some point pick up and move for the 20th time.

As far as the Mexico thing, I sure a hell hope it doesn't happen. But under the current Secretary of Transportation I'm not holding my breath when the moron is botching literally every single crisis and difficult issue.

I don’t know of any current legacy schedules that were 99% day trips like Allegiant. The old United shuttle schedules up and down the west coast or from ORD to NYC were only day trips, but currently I have not seen/heard of any that exist today.

If those still exist please elaborate because I would guess at least a few hundred pilots would be interested in how long it takes to get the qol of an Allegiant, but with legacy rates and bennies.

And like many in my family would say in spanish.... "Alli esta el detalle!". Which translates to "There's the detail!". Lets leave aside that Margi along with a handful that come off like bitter doom and gloom artists. A lot of what they say is true. Such as, that this management can't really be trusted, that is toxic and they'll push their own mother down a flight of stairs for profit one thing is for sure. That if you actually live in BASE, even if your junior on reserve, Allegiant still provides a better QOL than any reserve pilot COMMUTING at just about any legacy. Of course, that up until you get TDY'ed, or get limo'ed between SFB and PIE; but that's a whole other story.

The real problem here isn't that we aren't making "Delta+10 money" or that we don't have reserve rules or days off like some of the legacies. It's that this management doesn't seem to really respect this pilot group enough to settle for BASIC INDUSTRY STANDARD. It doesn't have to be everything, but it needs to be most. Especially when it comes to work rules, not to mention RESERVE rules.

Here's what ANYONE should look at and consider when coming to Allegiant.

1- Is your goal a legacy?
If this is the goal, then come here, get a pay check, deal with the bull***t of being junior (like anywhere else) and when you get a chance bolt out this b***ch. If your goal is to do day trips, and you live in one of our bases, then come over and roll the dice (It's all a roll of the dice anywhere at this point). We will get a contract at some point, and things WILL IMPROVE. They did in 2016, and they will again soon.

2- Are you willing to move for an upgrade or better QOL at Allegiant? Well, then you're flexible. That means you will do just fine as well at another Legacy. The difference is, QOL... What do you want? Day trips, or multi day trips. Yes, more money elsewhere, but like everything else, the future is uncertain. The legacies, can and WILL at some point be shaken by the economy, market or whatever, and you might find yourself displaced out of your base/aircraft and commuting. Could happen here too, anything is possible

3- I have ex-colleagues and friends at every airline, and just like Allegiant they talk about their "doom and gloomers". Yes, they have them there too. So if you want to base your decision about toxicity and morale of this place because of a few here that just can't help themselves in "keeping it real", then you're gonna find the same at other places. I have friends at Southwest, AA, and FedEx. Believe me, some people are thinking about jumping ship because of the "morale" and negativity they deal on almost a daily basis.

My advice to ANYONE that is considering coming here is this....

If you tune out all the drama and negativity from a very very few, then you'll find that this job is pretty chill overall (some days suck yes), but overall its easy flying and the QOL can't be beat. But make no mistake, this management is so absolutely TONE FU******G DEAF that although they think they're progressing, IF they could take consessions instead of upping everything they would. But then again, show me a management ANYWHERE in any industry that isn't the same. Allegiant will ALWAYS not meet the standards or ambitions of those that desire the LEGACY life and glory. i do believe it will at some point soon provide something much better that it has. As long as they can continue to give its pilots this "QOL" or something close to it, there will be plenty of people to gut it out. If they decide to be a "real airline" (dump day trips) at some point and choose to keep this SH******T contract and their ways, then you will without a doubt see many more people vacate the premises. Majority gut it out, because of the QOL and living in base. If QOL goes, then it wont matter if you live in base unless you're a super senior captain, instructor or APD; but we're not there yet. Best thing right now for many of us is patience, and hope. Hope that something fruitful and good will happened in the next few months with the NMB negotiations.

So, in closing. If your goal is a legacy, and you have the flight time, then don't waste your time. Do your best to go to a legacy! If you still need the time, and for some reason you want to come here to test the waters and see what the fuzz is all about, then come on over and roll the dice. But, if you want to come here for QOL, you don't want to commute, and a Legacy is not in your agenda? Then again, roll the dice like most of us and join the team. We will get a good contract soon.

On the basis of cost.

Everything said in this thread is just a feeling.

Forgive me, it’s been a while since I left, but which provision in the CBA guarantees that 99% of your trips will be day trips? The argument that only at Allegiant can you “be home every night” is false, and it’s simply used as a lazy management effort to try to recruit and retain people. Those day trips can also be taken away whenever management decides they no longer fit with the operation.

As for elaborating at which other airlines day trips exist, feel free to do your own research. I’m not here to convince you or the other G4 apologists to leave.

Yes, there were positive points to working at G4, it was not all bad. I liked who I worked with. It was an incredibly easy job, and not having to commute was great. But at times, the abuse and mismanagement was awful and made it the most difficult job. I mostly do day trips now and enjoy my time at home with just over one year of seniority. Working for an airline that actually invests in its operation makes the job easier than it ever was at G4. Yeah, we have problems at the legacies, but those problems pale in comparison to what the pilots at G4 have to put up with.