Ho ho ho, dear Skyvanman!

May the holiday spirit bring warmth to your heart as I thank you for sharing your knowledge about Google - it's truly a gift to our community! Very impressive...

Like misplaced presents under the Christmas tree, there seems to be a mix-up in understanding. Your interpretation suggests we claimed something about union decertification that, like Rudolph's nose in the fog, isn't quite accurate. Neither myself nor "reeeeegional" made such statements as you imply - it was actually our fellow forum friend from AA (Margaritaville) who continus spreading tales like snowflakes in the wind.

So, with the gentleness of falling snow, I invite you relax, take a breather an re-read those comments. It's all good my dear friend.

Let me rephrase my thoughts in fresh holiday paper:

Much like choosing between different Christmas cookies, I believe both TEAMSTERS and ALPA might not be the perfect recipe for securing our best possible contract quickly. I suggest we consider a brief period without either union, bringing in negotiators who, like Santa's most skilled elves, know exactly how to craft the best possible agreement.

And just as there are twelve days of Christmas, we'll have plenty of time afterward to choose our path - whether that's joining ALPA, continuing with our own union, or finding another way to spread joy throughout our workplace family.

Wishing you the merriest of deliberations,

With holiday cheer!

 

You have no idea how bad the teamsters have been for us. We have had FOUR negotiating committees in 2024. Our MEC was kicked out of the union for stealing close to a million dollars from coffers. We are in emergency trusteeship and the trustee/czar is Greg Untersehe who is utterly incompetent. We don’t have a single elected leader in the union at this - they are all appointed.

this has not been your typical “teamster” dysfunction. This light years worse than you can imagine. The union drama has been at a level 10 for us since 2021. So thanks for your input but you frankly don’t know what you’re talking about.

 

100%^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

If you keep hearing the rules have changed but you fail to actually search the very rule change, that is nobody's fault but your own. A quick search will once again fix your problems. ALPA is a member of the AFL-CIO which prides themselves on having a "no-raid" clause. What this means is they will not actively engage in a campaign to replace current representation. Teamsters on the otherhand, they abandoned the AFL-CIO and are actively raiding other labor groups for membership. In essence, ALPA will likely sit on the sidelines and let the process carry out. Frankly, they don't need to do anything. They are the better choice for representation of pilots and they know this. Comparing ALPA groups of MAJOR carriers to those of any IBT pilot group is akin to comparing a Ford Pinto to a 2025 Rolls Royce; both are cars and that's where the comparison ends.

Who has ever said going at it alone is a good idea? An account which was made within the last week? Clearly "Reeeeeeeegional", you are not a pilot at Allegiant and if you are, I'd venture to guess you weren't on property with us during our first experience with GU and the IBT. Either way, you're clueless.

We have almost zero evidence that shows Teamsters IS NOT the problem.

As a late addition: This summer, GU immediately labeled anyone who thought of leaving IBT as a "treasonist or an insurrectionist"... History shows that this predates our time within the lovely "Brotherhood"...[size=33px]Feb 16, 2010 [/size]I have issues with the Teamster leadership.. but the pilot groups as a whole, not really. A case by case basis with those types.

The whole back-dues thing is irritating, but I don't really know much about it.

I just seem to recall an incident where an IBT pilot group had a beef with its Union leadership, and the IBT leaders actually threatened the pilots under the point of 'treason'.

That's just ridiculous and shameful, in my mind.

 

National Mediation Board

1. 29 CFR Parts 1203 and 1206
2. [Docket No. C-7198]
3. RIN 3140-AA01

AGENCY:

National Mediation Board.

ACTION:

Final rule.

SUMMARY:

The National Mediation Board (NMB or Board) is amending its regulations to provide a straightforward procedure for the decertification of representatives. The Board believes this change is necessary to fulfill the statutory mission of the Railway Labor Act by protecting employees' right to complete independence in the decision to become represented, to remain represented, or to become unrepresented. This change will ensure that each employee has a say in their representative and eliminate unnecessary hurdles for employees who no longer wish to be represented.

DATES:

The final rule is effective August 26, 2019.

 

Our leverage is long gone. The introduction of the retainer bonus has fundamentally changed our strategic position. We've lost our bargaining power.

What's frustrating is that upon its introduction, neither our union leadership nor many of our colleagues who focus heavily on ”process” seemed to grasp this reality. Rather than moving things forward quickly, both AR and GU have actually been making the process move more slowly. The situation is almost beyond words.

As for the management's negotiation team - they're not particularly exceptional. Their approaches have been fairly standard, nothing innovative. However, they were operating under the assumption that they'd be dealing with a reasonable negotiating committee from our side. I imagine they're as bewildered as I am by how we keep undermining our own position. The whole situation seems almost unbelievable.

I'm genuinely curious - could you identify who this supposedly "talented advisor" is or was that we're working with?

Happy Holidays

 

Ho ho ho, dear Skyvanman!

May the holiday spirit bring warmth to your heart as I thank you for sharing your knowledge about Google - it's truly a gift to our community! Very impressive...

Like misplaced presents under the Christmas tree, there seems to be a mix-up in understanding. Your interpretation suggests we claimed something about union decertification that, like Rudolph's nose in the fog, isn't quite accurate. Neither myself nor "reeeeegional" made such statements as you imply - it was actually our fellow forum friend from AA (Margaritaville) who continus spreading tales like snowflakes in the wind.

So, with the gentleness of falling snow, I invite you relax, take a breather an re-read those comments. It's all good my dear friend.

Let me rephrase my thoughts in fresh holiday paper:

Much like choosing between different Christmas cookies, I believe both TEAMSTERS and ALPA might not be the perfect recipe for securing our best possible contract quickly. I suggest we consider a brief period without either union, bringing in negotiators who, like Santa's most skilled elves, know exactly how to craft the best possible agreement.

And just as there are twelve days of Christmas, we'll have plenty of time afterward to choose our path - whether that's joining ALPA, continuing with our own union, or finding another way to spread joy throughout our workplace family.

Wishing you the merriest of deliberations,

With holiday cheer!

 

this is as ignorant, stupid, and misleading as your comments typically are.

Being on our 4th negotiating committee is a company line you took straight from their emails, keep chugging that koolaid and see what you get. You damn well know as everyone else does that we have flushed the incompetence, the first 3 crews were Andrew loyalists and a crooked consultant tied to Andrew’s racketeering.

We have the most effective negotiating committee that we could get from this pilot group. And don’t forget we have 2 paid lawyers plus teamsters legal after we tossed that dumbass ambulance chaser that Andrew relied on.

You seem to forget that we are dealing with management that hates us and will drag this out to the last day, they play games designed to delay, frustrate, and divide. You know that by now because you’re not a new hire but you ignore it probably because you’re a management patsy.

additionally, this pilot group forgets that we lag 2 years behind our peers in the negotiating timeline. We were on a 5 year contract and they were 3. They all had a 2 year head start, we should expect to be close to the finish line once we’ve been in the process as long as they have. Anyone who thinks our management will give us something sooner out of the goodness of their hearts is delusional.

In the end we did it to ourselves by voting on a 5 year deal and not thinking about the ramifications. Just like we got ourselves into trusteeship by voting in a group of crooks and imbeciles. Anyone who voted for that and complains about trusteeship needs some serious introspective.

 

Disagreed 100%. This is the type of stuff that should’ve been put out there for years. The company and union relationship is pathetic and if they company wants to gain any trust from us, they have to stop ****ing around. Our union sucks yes, but the company can’t belittle us over and over and get away with it. Look at Delta, they have a phenomenal relationship with the Pilot Union

 

Careful what you wish for. According to most of my Delta buddies and many posts on this very site it seems commonly perceived that DALPA has way too cozy a relationship with management and in many ways is one in the same. Especially the ATL local.

Cool. best of luck. You guys would be way better off with ALPA and their 800lb gorilla on Maury's back. IBT's dysfunction is exactly the union he wants if he can't be fully non union.