I think we’re more likely to be put on ice before then with the way our NC negotiates

You were so sure of your position just a day ago.

I still am. My position was that it has to be paid out within 60 days. How they pay it out doesn’t really matter, as long as it’s according to the agreement

we’ve basically been on ice since October and still no dates in the books for january. Wouldn’t surprise me if the next negotiations are in March. That’s basically being iced out for 4-5 months

Don't go out on a limb bc you might fall in the same place as before. So, let me add the context as to how I came to hear this. I was reached out by a fellow pilot who mentioned to me that he had spoken to a specific invidual from the NC, and that this individual mentioned "release" being here soon bc of the company's BS, and yada yada yada.

Now... Just like you Tom, I myself didn't really believe it, and figured there was something being misunderstood or frankly being "over sold". Nonetheless, a few hours later I followed up with my buddy and asked him again.... "What exactly did XXXX say to you?" This time, he was more precise with his answer and basically clarified that there would a push for release. Literally later that day I get a call from yet ANOTHER pilot claiming he heard that another NC member was telling other pilots something similar.

At this point this nonesense really caught my attention so I called a few other pilots that are usually "in the know" of things and inquired if they had heard this, and wanted to know they're thoughts on this. One of them told me that he heard something similiar with the month of MARCH; from a steward. So you can see where I'm going here right? Basically, yes, it did happen, and although I think something MIGHT have gotten lost in translation, NO I don't think this is some wild misunderstanding.

Someone's trying to "over sell" something or too much hype, and no... it's not coming from management. But yeah, just like you Tom I too find it hard to believe that anyone to buy or sell that we could get released anytime soon with the current state of things. Especially since we haven't negotiated/passed all sections. But hey, people have surprised me before.

Think I've got this all figured out. We are screwed... until we are not.

To have passed all sections are not a requirement to be released. To be released the NMB just has to agree that further Mediated talks are not likely to move the two parties together. It is also not an requirement for the union to present sections based on what the company wants to do. They are only required to be prepared and present the sections that the Mediator has on the schedule for the session. Getting Iced is usually assotiated with proposals that are well above a resonable ask in relation to industry norms. I have not heard of any rumors of the Neg Com asking for anything up and beyond industry norms for any of the sections they have presented. The Union would not get Iced for standing their ground on any section that the companies current offer does not even get close to the bottom of the Industry standard. Per the company comparison email, every single current company offer is well below the lowest current industry normal for those section. The only one that was even close is retirement where the company says their current offer was 15% direct and that the unions counter offer was 15% with an increase to 16% over time. That even puts the counter offer below current industy norms and seems to subjest the the union is willing to come the companies way when the offers are within reach of at least the bottom of the industy. So it is interesting that this naritave of the union getting put on ice keeps coming up when nothing has appered that they are asking for anything unreasonable above what everyone esle gets doing the same job with the same aircraft. In fact most of the stated company starting offers do not hold up to Rejional airline contracts let alone current contracts that fly same aircraft. The claim the company has made on scheduling (the sections they are suppose to be working on per the current nmb schedule) that the union asked for word for word what alaska has and G4 can not operate within those restricts. Well just saying that does not make is so. They need to take the specific sections that are unbarable and so data that G4 can not continue to operate under those rules. Other wise it is all just smoke and mirrors to give the impression that the ask is unreasonable. If the company will not move towards a reasonable set of scheduling rules and further Med neg will not change that possition then we are at an impass and should be released. If thats the stance more neg under mediation is a waste of everyones time.

BOOM! HAHAHAHAHA. Mr. Decoder over here lol

We'll see what happens man. If we get released before summer time? Shoot. You won't hear me complain. At the end of the day all I care about is that things don't backfire on us in any sort of way, and "unfunny joke" of negotiations end sometime this century. That we get our local back, healthy, finally running properly. I've been here for almost 9 years, and for more than half of my tenure we've been in negotiations with a whole lot of empty promises from BOTH SIDES, half truth rethoric from BOTH SIDES, just straight nonesense.

The management at this place has been a joke for the most part, but so has the union representation; and that needs to finally change once and for all. We need this local back up and running properly, as our own, with our own funds, and our own representatives from within our ranks. God willing 2025 will be a brighter year for this pilot group in every sense of the way.

Piper wins the award for worst post of the year… all we need is to get an impasse and we’ll get released: brilliant!

Piper this is absurd and lala land. Our union didn’t start actually negotiating until 9 months ago. That’s it. AR’s regime was so putrid that those shenanigans don’t even count in the eyes of the mediator. Management has the perfect story to tell and nothing to rebut it.

When the union cries that it’s been 4 years of negotiations, management just responds with AR didn’t know what he was doing and that’s why it took him 2 years to just get the low hanging fruit out of the way - I mean AR spent 9 months on just union business.

we won’t get released until 2027 at the earliest. Management could do nothing for two years and they’d still be able to point the finger at AR, our union drama, and the internal bickering. I mean we’ve had four NC in just the last 12 months!

the teamsters screwed us. They let AR run wild with no leash. Now we’ve got GU trying to clean it up and hold onto power so we can go back into part of 1224 and him remain as our supreme leader of the local.