Contract negotiations
05-23-2025 | 04:54 PM
#2871
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From: AB
Adrian is already spreading wildcat actions for when we get released??? Are you living under a rock??? JR, Adrian, Jay, the rest of the NC, Greg, etc have all been telling us that we are getting released. Management is lying, bad faith bargaining, we are IBT and OBrien has contacts at NMB, etc. we've been told this is a slam dunk release because we've been at impasse for TEN years. I even got the AR talking point about the grievances and the arbitrations.
My question is: what happens if we don't released?
My question is: what happens if we don't released?
Asking to get released doesn't delay or pause negotiations. Regardless of the outcome it often does exactly the opposite. We saw this with Southwest in 2023, their request was denied and they had a TA shortly thereafter. I'm not saying we'll do the same but we haven't stopped or slowed negotiations just because we requested a release. There are no negatives to ask. The only move from here is to continue to stay within the narrow RLA mediation lane. If denied continue mediation, reach a TA or get released later.
05-24-2025 | 05:49 AM
#2873
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From: CA
Nothing meaningful happened in April so likely will amount to a 4-5 month pause. If you're a CA Greg just cost you another fifty grand.
05-24-2025 | 06:04 AM
#2874
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05-24-2025 | 05:14 PM
#2875
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Joined: Oct 2010
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From: CA
This pilot group has had enough.....Teamsters on the ropes.....sign the ALPA card.....force a representation vote....don't believe Greg's lies....we won't lose insurance, won't lose the rb....it's not even gonna hold up negotiations 'cause he created a multi-month lull with the ridiculous proffer.....time for a real union that represents pilots.
05-24-2025 | 05:48 PM
#2876
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Joined: Oct 2005
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It’s a rigged game. MG will never allow a contract to be signed, short of binding arbitration (see Atlas) which is the ONLY possible path to a contract with MG calling the shots. But good luck getting to that point. If you’ve made the decision to be a G4 lifer, you need to accept the fact that you will retire on the current book regardless of your age. Which is fine, time at home is priceless. Just don’t be delusional. It’s not gonna happen. Accept it, or dust off the logbook and move on.
05-24-2025 | 08:15 PM
#2877
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Joined: Aug 2020
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From: A320 CA
He hasn’t cost any Allegiant pilot anything. Allegiant pilots have cost themselves by having made the choice to come to and remain at Allegiant at this point.
It’s a rigged game. MG will never allow a contract to be signed, short of binding arbitration (see Atlas) which is the ONLY possible path to a contract with MG calling the shots. But good luck getting to that point. If you’ve made the decision to be a G4 lifer, you need to accept the fact that you will retire on the current book regardless of your age. Which is fine, time at home is priceless. Just don’t be delusional. It’s not gonna happen. Accept it, or dust off the logbook and move on.
It’s a rigged game. MG will never allow a contract to be signed, short of binding arbitration (see Atlas) which is the ONLY possible path to a contract with MG calling the shots. But good luck getting to that point. If you’ve made the decision to be a G4 lifer, you need to accept the fact that you will retire on the current book regardless of your age. Which is fine, time at home is priceless. Just don’t be delusional. It’s not gonna happen. Accept it, or dust off the logbook and move on.
MG was begging us to sign it. Was it below market by a lot: of course. Was it insulting? Yes. Could a real union have taken that offer and gotten us within 5-10% of legacy legacy rates? Yes.
what did the teamsters do instead? Just continue to screw this pilot group and use us like pawns.
05-25-2025 | 04:10 PM
#2879
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Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 45
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He hasn’t cost any Allegiant pilot anything. Allegiant pilots have cost themselves by having made the choice to come to and remain at Allegiant at this point.
It’s a rigged game. MG will never allow a contract to be signed, short of binding arbitration (see Atlas) which is the ONLY possible path to a contract with MG calling the shots. But good luck getting to that point. If you’ve made the decision to be a G4 lifer, you need to accept the fact that you will retire on the current book regardless of your age. Which is fine, time at home is priceless. Just don’t be delusional. It’s not gonna happen. Accept it, or dust off the logbook and move on.
It’s a rigged game. MG will never allow a contract to be signed, short of binding arbitration (see Atlas) which is the ONLY possible path to a contract with MG calling the shots. But good luck getting to that point. If you’ve made the decision to be a G4 lifer, you need to accept the fact that you will retire on the current book regardless of your age. Which is fine, time at home is priceless. Just don’t be delusional. It’s not gonna happen. Accept it, or dust off the logbook and move on.
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