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#3431
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#3433
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I’ll just say it should be less common. There are a few contributing factors to the amount of section 18s we’ve had recently.
First is that under IBT trusteeship there hasn’t been anyone standing up for the pilots or defending the gains we made since the first contract. The company has tried…successfully in many instances to reinstitute past practices which the union had ended. So far the current eboard has been focused on the bridge deal (not that I fault them for it)and they have let the problems continue.
Secondly the company thinks were overstaffed, taken in combination with the size of the retention bonus it means every captain has a $250k target on their back. So if you aren’t completely squared away or raise your head too high you can expect someone to take a shot at you.
First is that under IBT trusteeship there hasn’t been anyone standing up for the pilots or defending the gains we made since the first contract. The company has tried…successfully in many instances to reinstitute past practices which the union had ended. So far the current eboard has been focused on the bridge deal (not that I fault them for it)and they have let the problems continue.
Secondly the company thinks were overstaffed, taken in combination with the size of the retention bonus it means every captain has a $250k target on their back. So if you aren’t completely squared away or raise your head too high you can expect someone to take a shot at you.
Today | 01:54 PM
#3434
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I’ll just say it should be less common. There are a few contributing factors to the amount of section 18s we’ve had recently.
First is that under IBT trusteeship there hasn’t been anyone standing up for the pilots or defending the gains we made since the first contract. The company has tried…successfully in many instances to reinstitute past practices which the union had ended. So far the current eboard has been focused on the bridge deal (not that I fault them for it)and they have let the problems continue.
Secondly the company thinks were overstaffed, taken in combination with the size of the retention bonus it means every captain has a $250k target on their back. So if you aren’t completely squared away or raise your head too high you can expect someone to take a shot at you.
First is that under IBT trusteeship there hasn’t been anyone standing up for the pilots or defending the gains we made since the first contract. The company has tried…successfully in many instances to reinstitute past practices which the union had ended. So far the current eboard has been focused on the bridge deal (not that I fault them for it)and they have let the problems continue.
Secondly the company thinks were overstaffed, taken in combination with the size of the retention bonus it means every captain has a $250k target on their back. So if you aren’t completely squared away or raise your head too high you can expect someone to take a shot at you.
Come on now… Unless you deserve that “shot”, no one is taking any shots. It is so hard to get fired from this place…
Today | 02:54 PM
#3436
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If you end up in a Section 18 hearing, you know damn well you did something to get yourself in that position.
Today | 08:24 PM
#3438
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Disagree. I’ve heard of some of these section 18s. The pilot may not be a saint….but… Some are definitely a reach.
Today | 08:57 PM
#3439
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Section 18s are not all that uncommon, but getting fired is SUPER RARE. I can only think of one pilot who was fired from this place and that pilot, imo, had it coming and certainly deserved it.
You’ll get called in for section 18 if you call out sick for 35% of your trips over a 90 day period, things like that. You get talked to, be apologetic, kiss some management a$$ and you’ll get a slap on the wrist.
it’s honestly absurd that people on here are talking like pilots are fired regularly. I challenge anybody on here to name more than one pilot who has been fired in the last 5 years. I can only think of one and that’s on good authority because the union takes pride in how few pilots have been fired. Job protection is the number one reason to have a union and the ibt are happy to brag how few pilots have been fired on their watch.
You’ll get called in for section 18 if you call out sick for 35% of your trips over a 90 day period, things like that. You get talked to, be apologetic, kiss some management a$$ and you’ll get a slap on the wrist.
it’s honestly absurd that people on here are talking like pilots are fired regularly. I challenge anybody on here to name more than one pilot who has been fired in the last 5 years. I can only think of one and that’s on good authority because the union takes pride in how few pilots have been fired. Job protection is the number one reason to have a union and the ibt are happy to brag how few pilots have been fired on their watch.
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