Yes, the decision to file is coordinated and strategic in timing between separate unions. If ALPA just filed before our cba just imagine how their campaign drive would go when the NMB cast a vote for representation. We're sorry we turned off the lights and shut the door on your 5.5 years of negotiation when you were almost done. Oh and that retention bonus that you're probably not going to get, forgive us for that also then vote us in and we'll quickly secure you a JCBA before 2031.


pipercub- I've had multiple attorneys say otherwise about the bonus, it's possible but there is uncertainty. Even our own management has mentioned this multiple times in ground school classes. The company doesn't have to wait for single carrier status before they can combine routes and optimize the network, they will start doing that shortly after closing. Filing right after closing or waiting a few weeks or months won't change anything in terms of what you're saying about moving routes/fleet. Combining in terms of pilot groups is going to take years and years after single union, TPA then JCBA before SLI.

Always Uncertainty with this company. There is no way after the sale that individual contracts will be worked on tell done then move on to JCBA. It is either done prior to completion of the purchase or it will not happen. All efforts after will be toward a JCBA.

Such an important point. I’ve been thinking/discussing this too and appreciate your thoughts. Much talk about changes in the cockpit which will take years. Starting sooner then later is a new way of business for our company models in network/routes/optimization. Create code shares btw the two airlines (and other mechanisms) and pax can move btw us easily. It’s not simple- but not hard either. AZ probably stays sunny side but charters? Charter? What do the casinos care if it’s an Allegiant Bus or Sunny 73.
Curious the sooner them later.
Looking forward to G4 ground crews handling Sunny flights at your outstations. Beats all the other yahoos we use.

That's not an option since you're in federal mediation. The acquisition closing is a only financial event, it does not supersede the NMB's authority over mediation in any way and it does not trigger an automatic end of mediation.

Well the NMB gave the union a June deadline because of the merger. SY is also in pilot negotiations - why would the NMB force the company to negotiate two separate CBAs when unions are filing for single carrier recognition?

I don't even work there and I can tell you that deadline isn't legally possible. Unless you're talking about a deadline to proffer for arbitration, which that wouldn't be kept as only a rumor, everyone would officially know. Sunny isn't in mediation so the NMB won't be involved.

The airline purchase closing cannot create, impose, or trigger any deadline from the NMB for the pilots to finish their standalone CBA in the current mediation. That's the federal law and what you're left with after buying an airline when you're in mediation. The NMB does not have the authority to impose a hard cutoff date requiring the parties to reach a full agreement by a certain day or end mediation without proffering interest arbitration.

There is no statutory mechanisms for the NMB to say “finish by June or mediation ends.” Mediation has no fixed time limit regardless of a financial event (merger/acquisition). The NMB uses its control over timing as leverage to encourage movement, but it does not impose contract completion deadlines.

I have my speculation as to why this rumor is being planted and going around but I'll just stop at the facts since it's no longer my place. I hope this helps others reading it and I wish the best for my friends still over there.

the June deadline was for “time” with the mediator. It’s not a rumor anymore, the mediator said multiple times now that June is the deadline to get time.

Some in the union view the deadline as get a deal or get on ice. Others think the mediator is just a puppet for FH and will not follow through. Nobody in the union is denying that a June deadline exists.

could be an empty threat, could be a deadline or else get put on ice for six months while all the unions file single carrier who knows

Seems awfully quiet from the negotiating committee, hopefully that’s good news and we have finally closed out section 15.

That’s funny stuff right there! Don’t worry…they’re really close this time though! Just a few more sessions and we’ll get it closed out! 🤣

I really can’t believe it’s this hard for people to come to terms with the fact that there is no contract coming. The company has zero interest in one, unless it’s complete dog sh** and looks worse than anything seen at a regional. They’ll send a lovely email saying thanks for all that you do though!

Until the deal is done, we just work for a crappy regional flying Airbus & Boeing metal...not even AQP approved! Keep kicking that can down the road.


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