So when this merger closes, how f*cked are we?

Has anybody heard what happened this week? It’s 22:00 here in Florida and it’s been crickets.

Did we really get played this bad by GU?

No news is bad news, if they had good news they wouldn't be able to get it out fast enough. Maybe check out the for info on the IBT website official forum.. Oh wait guess they deleted that so people would stop asking question for answers they have no plan to give.

all depends on the mediator and whether he forces management to continue negotiating with just IBT or management convinces NMB that priority is a JCBA.

I’m not hopeful that IBT will have more sway with the NMB, a Trump NMB btw, than management and FH attorneys.

I’ll say this one time and one time only. If you are even close to being on the fence about staying here, now is the time to get out. The company is very happy where their staffing levels are. They want some attrition. They have no plans to grow the airline for many years to come. The merger is the growth plan. Every new airplane delivered will result in an Airbus heading to the bone yard. If you’re staying simply for the retention bonus, please take the time to do some simple math on where you’ll be in 4-5 years staying vs leaving. It’s not even close which side you’ll end up being better off, and that’s even assuming that the bonus is paid out one day, which is highly unlikely after the amount of time that will have passed. You think they’re just cutting everybody a check for half a million?? Yeah…sure they are.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, the truth is that G4 will NEVER be allowed to strike. Ever. Toonsters poisoned that well. I know the diehards and AR fanboys don't want to hear it. I could list the reasons, but they've been gone over at nauseum previously. So, it's either take the deal from the company (allowing them to control scheduling) or wait another 5 years for a JCBA and don't get your Retention Bonus. Two Gawd Awful choices. It is, what it is. Leaving is the best bet for many. BLI and Sav are closing, and even seniorish Captains are jumping ship.

Who could have hope in IBT at this point, even this new group can not timely communicate with the pilot group. Zero updates, how hard is it to draft an email saying little to nothing got done. They are more helpful for the company by giving the group false hope, than getting anything done. The lack of transparency and timely updates should be telling to all pilots. The new group is no better equipped to getting us a deal we deserved 3 to 5 years ago.

There is are at least 2 on the current exco that were on the union forum daily complaining about the lack of transparency and communication from the last group. Yet this group has not done any better and in a lot of ways worse on communications. Why keep the pilots in the dark?

So why wouldn’t the union present the company a short term agreement. I forget what it’s most commonly called but a bridge deal? Similar to what spirit or JetBlue signed during their merger.

Wouldn’t it be prudent to grab all we can now, accept that the IBT f*cked up since AR, and then regroup for a stronger JCBA?

You’re telling me we have to convince a NMB board that already rules against us that we deserve to continue our current talks? That ain’t happening.

RJ won overwhelmingly on the principle of listening to pilots, clear and frequent communication, and to not f*ck around. Yet here we are with another leadership change that yet again seems to be worse than the last?

Or have negotiations met the reality of $4/gallon fuel?

Yeah grab a 2 year deal with opener clause that says if the purchase of sunny is canceled in any way, triggers section six for a new stand alone deal.

It sounds like the sunny deal is done and closing this spring. But I agree, a clause in there that all prior TA’s remain valid and we move back to mediated section 6 immediately in the event it cancels.

Delta just announced capacity cuts and they own a d*mn refinery.

United shaved 5% of Q2 and Q3 capacity.

IBT may have truly f*cked over 1,400 pilots in a manner that’s nearly unimaginable. Once in a generation leverage and GU p*ssed it away.

We’re entering an arena where begging for scraps might not get you sh*t.