You’re right in that the Union has its many many faults. That being said, if this was accepted it would had been a giant slap in the face to the jr side of the pilot group.

As a junior guy you do not have nearly the opportunity to make money on days off for many reasons. If you are on reserve you have 10 days off in July. Most sequences starting in the AM and ending in the PM. Good luck getting 30hrs of rest to pick anything up on a day off.
If you are a jr line holder you work 18-20 days primarily on the high fly days (in which all the open time lies) with Tuesdays off and no OT to be had. I don’t even want to begin to guess how you would be paid as a composite guy with ADD days… So yes this scheme greatly favors those who are able to pick up days when the company needs them. Aka guys with weekends off and 16 plus days off. While the rest of the pilot group is flying inefficient trips with their days off being on days when there is very very little OT.

Not accepting this offer galvanizes our pilot group rather than further divide the already large schism between jr and sr

 

if it’s more then 9 we will all be looking for work and M will be mourning the loss of most of his fortune after he files for BK

 

If you believe that….lot’s of opportunities out there millions more $ over a career & real domiciles that won’t close on a whim….and “home every night” can be reality once you find your niche if that’s the hill you’re willing to die on…

 

Couldn’t have been worded any better. I 100% agree with you. I guarantee make less than everyone, or equal at best. Commute, renting in two places, going to the mid-con bases and being flexible for the company’s needs. I’m very grateful to be here… but, I’m glad the union didn’t sign this. I could *maybe* have benefitted from this in the short term, but no one would have gained anything from it at the end of the day.

 

5% to 10% of the seniority list and management would have been the beneficiaries. No deal..

 

How about proper staffing levels including reserve coverage so one can actually drop a day if needed. Handing out 3x pay won’t add flexibility nor will it improve our schedules.

 

No way man. When you're in negotiations you don't help the company out. This would have been a band aid to get them through the summer then they would go right back to non-negotiations. Taking this deal would have drug the contract out even further. This was meant to exploit pilot greed particularly among the senior. Slow clap for AR to say no. Someone has to tamp down greed and think about the group as a whole. No Waivers No Favors.

Exactly. EXCO did the right thing and Tracy's pi$$ed off email is the proof. They aren't doing this because they want to help us, they're going it because they are screwed due to their own mismanagement and this is their only way out of the summer meltdown. We've got them by the balls. Now it's time to twist until they cry uncle.

 

This is why we can't have nice things. The "each man for himself" mentality is stronger here than any place I've worked.

 

AR 100% did the right thing turning this down. And after watching his latest video, anyone who thinks a contract is coming soon needs to have themselves properly evaluated. This is going to mediation, and then it will drag on from there. If you’re not interested in staying for the long haul that this will take, I’d suggest getting out as quickly as you can and get started rebuilding seniority elsewhere.

 

^this. The whole business model here was built around low cost labor. They’re going to grasp for straws as long as they can to hold on to that. Why anyone would come here or stay here with no seniority is beyond me.