No need to pm you. its all out in the open baby. its a union source. they specifically said the pass was significantly higher than alaska's rates and had all of the legacy rigs in there as well.

MG is in AZ with AR and my source said MG has been hounding AR for months to get him the rates. I'm telling you the source is rock solid.

i reached out to some folks in management and they said MG is in AZ today (he was there yesterday as well). my one management source said they had no clue if union had passed compensation yet. they did say that MG was in AZ and that all the usual legal ppl's calendars were blocked this week.

This doesn't change my mind at all about how long this is gonna take. we are no where close to getting a deal done. i can't imagine us getting a deal without the NMB. too much anti pilot hate from management and too little experience from the union. management said yesterday that they are focusing on margins, they are not interested in the arms race like F9. they found this flight school to get them a real pilot pipeline, they'll probably skirt the contract and give the students seniority numbers or something ridiculous to keep the machine moving. management is betting on a recession and following their old playbook. they are gonna keep the flying low and maximize the margins while this contract gets stuck in the mud.

i think its totally believable that AR would pass rates. it's not just rates, the source said all of section 3 was done. they made it sound like section 3 has been done for a while but that they were just waiting on another airline to agree to rates so that they could use that as the bar. the source said section 3 also has all of the rigs and min guarantees that our current contract is missing.

I just don't understand why you think its so far fetched that exco would put out our section 3 after being hounded by MG for months on end. MG is a bulldog and he can't be easy to keep telling him no. i've been critical of AR in the past, but i dont' really blame him if he finally just said "we know what the rates are now with Alaska's deal getting done, let's just give MG what he wants."

The Alaska TA was ratified 2 weeks ago.

I'll guess we will wait and see.

I do have another question though. Why settle for Alaska +? Why not wait and see what Delta, UAL, and AA come up with? Seems we would immediately get leaped if we take AS+ which wasn't actually a stellar deal an anyones world.

Ir maybe they really are amateurs. I guess time will tell.

Oh and the flight school thing is a joke. 750 hour CFIs in the right seat to the places we fly will be a disaster.

i think this is the first time AR and MG have met since the Alaska deal was ratified, could be wrong on that.

Why settle for Alaska +? well if it's true that it's "way higher than Alaska's" then that seems like a safe bet to me by the union.

why not wait for the big 4? Because the big 4 are no where near getting deals done. If AA or UA would have ratified their TAs then that would have worked but now who knows how long its gonna be. Also, the big 4 are not losing pilots left and right like the rest of us. even Alaska was experiencing some attrition, though there bigger problem was hiring. The big 4 execs are not in a rush to get a deal done. the pilot shortage is not leverage for those unions because they are still able to hire, their problem is training more than hiring.

Doubt MG was working with the Union yesterday. Likely preparing for the investor call...

Carrot on a stick. Gotta get you to stick around longer.


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Exactly this! They need seats filled for march and summer. Those suckers that fell for the rumors a year ago and stayed would be upgrading today at DAL or UAL making 300k year 2 and 400k+ year 3 with a new legacy TA.

Not a big deal of they have a snap up clause.

And since when did the FAA change R-ATP mins to 750 hours? News to me.

The question is, if we get a new CBA by the end of the year t will you say "Wow, nice work, I was wrong."?