100% agree. If it goes IBT for any reason, G4 will be spending 1.5B on some tired 800NGs and an amazon contract. Maybe a handful of pilots with a couple of years left would stay, but the rest would leave.

 

Not only will it not fly, but God help us all if we end up flying the SCA cargo and charter schedules without the protections in the Sun Country contract.

I don't have a lot of faith that the G4 NC can get all those unseen issues protected without knowing what they are fighting against; only because the nuance is not clear and the lift would be huge beyond what has already been left unfinished.

Six or eight months of backside of the clock flying without rigs, min day, meaningful premium pay or a company paid direct contribution and the combined pilot group will eat the IBT for lunch, nevermind the attrition because nobody will stay to fly this crap for peanuts.

Just look at the difference between an average min day, in the current IBT passes, and a real min day and the effects on pay and days off. Going from an average min day to a real min day generated two to three days off per month due to the ineffeciencies of SCA flying.

Another clear example, look at current CA opentime which is barely getting covered at 250% premiums.
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None of the current IBT passes that have been floating around protect against the kind of pairings Sun Country flys.

 

Probably a bit of a conspiracy theory but I have wondered if getting the SY guys under our CBA has been the plan all along. They already know they can shrink management and save money there. Now take the pilots and slash their pay. We're overstaffed anyways. Even if hundreds jump ship they can be replaced with CFI's and more foreign pilots.

 

Meh. APC reckless speculation here. SY pilots have federal law protections on their contract’s side. And a very strong union with 80,000 dues paying pilots to prevent new case law adversely affecting a single gain they’ve made over the decades.

No. It wouldn’t surprise me if the IBT attempts to thwart a vote. It’s their only hope to retain power. Nor would it surprise me if G4 leadership (given all I’ve learned from your pilot group) tests the waters in attempting to set new precedent by voiding a contract before a JCBA. Millions at stake when a JCBA drags on for years and years. And years. But it’s all just talk and I’m confident in what I’m told by my union in how this plays out.

I’ve learned there’s some really good people at G4 who are jaded. But let’s avoid baseless speculation. Many of us on the Sunny side dislike this merger. But we are eager to bring our contract to your doorstep and elevate it in a big way with a federally mandated JCBA for us all.

 

Regardless, if it does go IBT, the company will still have to reopen the CBA and make it work with SY type ops. The EXCO has said they will not just open it partly and a JCBA is i inevitable.

 

All made up, and of course dumb would back up dumber.

 

get loud for us. IBT doesn’t want a vote. That’s the bottom line.

If they were confident in their record, they’d be demanding an election. Instead, we’re getting rumor campaigns about healthcare, scare tactics about bonuses, and endless noise designed to stall momentum.

Ask yourself why.

Signing a card:

• Does NOT trigger decertification

• Does NOT jeopardize healthcare

• Does NOT touch your retention bonus

• ONLY ensures the NMB holds a representation election

That’s it. A vote.

We’re nearing 500 cards out of 1,300 pilots. That’s not fringe. That’s a movement.

If IBT is the better option, they’ll win the election.

If they’re not, they won’t.

So what are they afraid of?

Allegiant pilots deserve a choice. Not delays. Not spin. Not fear messaging.

If you want the right to vote on your representation:

www.G4P4A.com

Let the NMB run the election. Let the pilots decide.

 

All of this speculation is completely baseless.

There is no information about anything. If/when it comes to a vote for representation, in my opinion as a G4 pilot, its likely alpa will prevail. The only thing that was holding us up from changing to alpa last year was the fear that a representation change in the middle of contract negotiations would drag things out even longer. That and some speculation that our retention bonuses would be voided as the preamble reads something like "as represented by Teamsters" etc. We never really received any kind of solid legal opinion or assurance on this. At this point, if there were some assurances, the powers that be in the alpa drive would have a much easier time of seeing it through right now if that was their wish.

 

Of course IBT doesn’t want an election. What organization would voluntarily open itself up to being removed? I wouldn’t want to be a part of an organization that didn’t fight for itself. IMO, ALPA doesn’t need to do a whole lot to win, but this ain’t it.

Also, if you supposedly already have 500 legitimate cards, that’s way more than enough for the NMB to hold a vote. Simple math. Good luck.

 

Done. If you could see our MEC updates you’d feel assured ALPA is way out in front of this. I mean way out. The merger committee is fully staffed and fully engaged. We’ve got a GREAT guy leading the charge.