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Old 01-12-2026 | 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by pipercub
Joint contracts are always first than seniority. That is how the Virgin to Alaska went and that is how the Alaska Hawaiian is going.
And you will undoubtedly hear a lot of rhetoric from G4 management about accellerated timelines, simplicity, flexibility, etc. The fact is, done - correctly - merger approval, SOC, JCBA, SLI, final merging of operations & employees - you're looking at 4 years out the door.
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Old 01-12-2026 | 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by tailendcharlie
And you will undoubtedly hear a lot of rhetoric from G4 management about accellerated timelines, simplicity, flexibility, etc. The fact is, done - correctly - merger approval, SOC, JCBA, SLI, final merging of operations & employees - you're looking at 4 years out the door.
Yes, however they have an opportunity to make it worth while for both pilot groups to be on board by compensating us with good contracts. Will they likely not. Pilots onboard done fast, drag out pilot deals, drags out integration. At least the value of integration gives both pilot groups some leverage that we would not have had prior.
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Old 01-12-2026 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by pipercub
Joint contracts are always first than seniority. That is how the Virgin to Alaska went and that is how the Alaska Hawaiian is going.
Absolutely correct. Under ALPA rules, which apply to ALPA+ALPA mergers. AS, HA, VX were all ALPA.

I can't find any such language in MB or AM, which is what will govern ALPA+IBT.
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Old 01-12-2026 | 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by G4poor
The G4 pilots have an interim agreement between Allegiant air llc and the pilots in the service of Allegiant air llc as represented by the international brotherhood of teamsters airline division local 2118. It is an interim agreement for retention bonuses we have been accruing since May 2023. It says in there Allegaint air llc is the “company” and the international brotherhood of teamsters airline division is the “union” collectively the “parties.” It says we get our retention bonus 60 days following the ratification of the “parties” amended cba. So we have no choice but to go with teamsters until we get that money.
I don't think that's correct, but of course ya'll need competent legal advice (ALPA national would know the answer, not necessarily some local guy in a strip mall office).

This is RLA stuff, not something which a specific company or airline is likely to be able to circumvent.

The CBA is between the pilots and company.

The union brand is just the label for the specific pilots elected to represent the group. You could change unions and keep all of the same reps.


AGREEMENT EFFECTIVE
November 1, 2022 – October 31, 2025
between
ALASKA AIRLINES
and the
AIR LINE PILOTS
in the service of
ALASKA AIRLINES, INC.
as represented by the
AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION,
INTERNATIONAL
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Old 01-12-2026 | 12:19 PM
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I am seeing a lot of the same posts on the SY thread for the merger, I ask all the SY pilots to just post on this thread only for anything merger wise. You will ya'll about to learn a lesson how the west was won....
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Old 01-12-2026 | 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by g4stapler
I am seeing a lot of the same posts on the SY thread for the merger, I ask all the SY pilots to just post on this thread only for anything merger wise. You will ya'll about to learn a lesson how the west was won....
Whoever you are/whoever you really work for you're not funny.....
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Old 01-12-2026 | 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by tailendcharlie
Whoever you are/whoever you really work for you're not funny.....
Sorry I'm not funny we all can't graduate from clown college like you....
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Old 01-12-2026 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by tailendcharlie
And you will undoubtedly hear a lot of rhetoric from G4 management about accellerated timelines, simplicity, flexibility, etc. The fact is, done - correctly - merger approval, SOC, JCBA, SLI, final merging of operations & employees - you're looking at 4 years out the door.
You’re still retired, right?
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Old 01-12-2026 | 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
I don't think that's correct, but of course ya'll need competent legal advice (ALPA national would know the answer, not necessarily some local guy in a strip mall office).

This is RLA stuff, not something which a specific company or airline is likely to be able to circumvent.

The CBA is between the pilots and company.

The union brand is just the label for the specific pilots elected to represent the group. You could change unions and keep all of the same reps.


AGREEMENT EFFECTIVE
November 1, 2022 – October 31, 2025
between
ALASKA AIRLINES
and the
AIR LINE PILOTS
in the service of
ALASKA AIRLINES, INC.
as represented by the
AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION,
INTERNATIONAL
how did you know the G4 IBT office was in a strip mall? lol 😂
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Old 01-12-2026 | 05:55 PM
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I’ve been at two airlines that dumped the IBT. (ATA and K4) Best move we ever made at both places. The IBT will make promises or threats to try to keep a pilot group. Both are baseless.
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