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Old 08-16-2015 | 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by fishforfun
Next class is 50/50 AB/80. The most recent class got the last of the 75s for a while and the 75s are going to be phased out over the next 2-3 years.

You will find out your assignment the end of the first week or the beginning of the second.

Would you walk out on the first day of you don't get what you want?
I thought it was common knowledge that taking a job at Allegiant meant moving to base. Just on previous page was posted that you only get 1 day off a week (though 4 days off a month seems like a stretch when you have guarantee of 10 but then again I am not Math Major) and even you stated they can change that day 12hrs in advance. So I think it's fair to go into a job offer knowing what that means, either living in a base you are currently at or having to move to Florida for a 2yr seat lock. If classes are 50/50 I don't like those odds.
Old 08-16-2015 | 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by fishforfun
It is a 2 year equipment lock, unless it is in the companies best interest, and that is a quote.

What I don't get what you are saying is that guys shouldn't be able to bid into things others cannot? How does every other company fill vacancies? My understanding is all companies allow new hires to bid into vacant positions ie a new hire at Delta can bid into the 76 even though there are more senior guys did not get it.

Looking at the TDY list it appeared there were very few involuntary TDYs. Maybe that doesn't reflect the real story. I also have friends at regionals spending weeks TDY making 30-50% less than us.

So far the biggest complaint has been that they can change days off less than 12 hours before a scheduled day off. That is a serious issue that needs to be fixed in the contract. In the mean time, don't answer your phone on your days off.

I've never had any issue getting a hold of anyone I've needed to. Emails replied to in same day, phone calls answered or returned within 24 hours.

Not trying to argue or start a fight but I'm just passing on my experiences.
Fish,
Just for the record.... at majors, new hires fill vacant seats that were offered in a company wide bid but not filled, i.e. every 76ER seat filled by a newhire at Delta was previously offered on a company wide Advance Entitlement bid that anyone in the company that wasn't currently under a seat lock was free to bid. Same with the 88, 320, 73N etc.
Additionally a new hire can even bid while in training (often do and change bases even before arriving at their original base) so bottom line is no new hire is given a spot that a current pilot covets.
Hope that ALG can get a contract that includes this common standard.
Old 08-16-2015 | 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by fishforfun
Next class is 50/50 AB/80.
Close but what I was told my the training department, it is actually going to be 14 airbus and 10 MD80's.

And as for the guy saying he has never had any problem getting a response from HQ. I have always had problems. Takes days before I get a return email and usually never hear back from voicemails. My personal experience though.
Old 08-16-2015 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by fishforfun

Looking at the TDY list it appeared there were very few involuntary TDYs. Maybe that doesn't reflect the real story. I also have friends at regionals spending weeks TDY making 30-50% less than us.
Perhaps you don't realize that you can bid for a specific city on the TDY list if there are multiple cities and you know that you are going to be TDY.

ex:you are the bottom guy in a base where they say they are taking 10 TDY from. They are TDYing to two different bases and you prefer one over the other. You can bid for that base. You still don't want to TDY at all, but that is not a choice and you can bid for the lesser of two evils.

The company would say that is voluntary TDY. Would you? Keep that in mind while you are looking at the number of "voluntary" TDY.

It's all in the definition around here.
Old 08-16-2015 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by full of luv
Fish,
Just for the record.... at majors, new hires fill vacant seats that were offered in a company wide bid but not filled, i.e. every 76ER seat filled by a newhire at Delta was previously offered on a company wide Advance Entitlement bid that anyone in the company that wasn't currently under a seat lock was free to bid. Same with the 88, 320, 73N etc.
Additionally a new hire can even bid while in training (often do and change bases even before arriving at their original base) so bottom line is no new hire is given a spot that a current pilot covets.
Hope that ALG can get a contract that includes this common standard.
We have a few pilots who bring their regional mindset of just good enough and whatever management gives me is ok. Simple industry standard practices such as bidding is just one of many.

Allegiant management loves the current state of no bounds. They do whatever they want when they want. Our PIE captain was terminated for trying to do the right thing. Our vp of ops Bingo-Baden violates FARs and bs's atc alongside our director of safety. No consequences. Non existent maintenance that serves only to minimally mask operational needs. No faa intervention, no consequences.

Allegiant management pulls every lawyer trick in the book to worm out of our work rules, which were minimal standards of practice. Signed and dated by our current vp of ops Bingo-Baden. Allegiant managements word, with signatures and handshakes means nothing. No consequences.

And all we get are emails from our coo SH or mav as we like to call him, proclaiming his steadfast efforts to negotiate in good faith. Lies of course. Evidenced by the actions that speak louder than his falsehoods.

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Old 08-16-2015 | 05:36 PM
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Any rumors of Airbus in LAS? Also, does the Airbus have the virtual base thing like the 80 does?
Old 08-16-2015 | 06:04 PM
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some of the flight attendants are just inept or uncaring....

posted on Allegiant Airlines facebook page today:

Bonnie J Keller‎

On today's flight from St Pete to Roanoke, VA, my stepfather scratched his hand putting his bag in the overhead. He's in his 70's, and has thin skin and is on medication that makes him bleed easily. When he asked for a bandaid, he was told by the flight attendant they didn't want to open a new kit just to throw the rest out.... He needed a freakin' bandaid. What is wrong with this flight attendant??
Old 08-16-2015 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Stok1
We have a few pilots who bring their regional mindset of just good enough and whatever management gives me is ok. Simple industry standard practices such as bidding is just one of many.

Allegiant management loves the current state of no bounds. They do whatever they want when they want. Our PIE captain was terminated for trying to do the right thing. Our vp of ops Bingo-Baden violates FARs and bs's atc alongside our director of safety. No consequences. Non existent maintenance that serves only to minimally mask operational needs. No faa intervention, no consequences.

Allegiant management pulls every lawyer trick in the book to worm out of our work rules, which were minimal standards of practice. Signed and dated by our current vp of ops Bingo-Baden. Allegiant managements word, with signatures and handshakes means nothing. No consequences.

And all we get are emails from our coo SH or mav as we like to call him, proclaiming his steadfast efforts to negotiate in good faith. Lies of course. Evidenced by the actions that speak louder than his falsehoods.
I know it's been a recent inception of your union, but where the heck is the National backing of the union to expose these absurdities for what they are?

It must be frustrating because right after this post, some pilot will post a question asking if they can get LAX right out of initial or ask if it's possible to get hired without PIC, etc.....

That really is all mgmt needs to know, whatever working conditions they are offering is still good enough to attract professional pilots. Obviously they are not getting the msg or choosing to ignore the facts and hope for the best.
Old 08-16-2015 | 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by fishforfun
It is a 2 year equipment lock, unless it is in the companies best interest, and that is a quote.

What I don't get what you are saying is that guys shouldn't be able to bid into things others cannot? How does every other company fill vacancies? My understanding is all companies allow new hires to bid into vacant positions ie a new hire at Delta can bid into the 76 even though there are more senior guys did not get it.

Looking at the TDY list it appeared there were very few involuntary TDYs. Maybe that doesn't reflect the real story. I also have friends at regionals spending weeks TDY making 30-50% less than us.

So far the biggest complaint has been that they can change days off less than 12 hours before a scheduled day off. That is a serious issue that needs to be fixed in the contract. In the mean time, don't answer your phone on your days off.

I've never had any issue getting a hold of anyone I've needed to. Emails replied to in same day, phone calls answered or returned within 24 hours.

Not trying to argue or start a fight but I'm just passing on my experiences.
I'm not trying to start a fight either, I'm just passing along my experiences as well.

The pay here is A LOT better than any regional, no argument there. But honestly, I can't think of anything else better and I want too.

AFAIK at the Legacy carriers, you can bid what you can hold, period. There are no seat locks at all, everything goes in seniority. New hires bid alongside senior people and get the scraps. That is how it is supposed to work. Here the company will actually reserve spots for new hires and not allow senior FOs and CAs (even those with no seat lock) to bid on them.

In my -80 GOM I believe it actually says the seat lock is 3 years. The company is enforcing 2 which is better, sure, but does the clock start from DOH, checkride, or IOE completion? Clear as mud. They have also had bids where they skip over people and just suddenly decide they won't let anyone switch.

The TDY's come and go. September is a slow month so there are less. Like a previous poster said, don't go by the involuntary TDYs, go by all the TDYs. IWA was pretty rough the last few months, most of these guys ended up MYR or PIE, again no guarantee of commutable schedules. Regional TDYs? I haven't ever heard of that happening for more than 4-5 days at a time? Usually involves sitting reserve out of base. There is no extra pay credit being TDY'd here, just the extra tax free per diem.

Your lucky to have had quick responses from the company. Try calling about vacancy bid, company travel, schedule problem, or worse, a payroll issue. It usually takes 2-3 phone calls or emails.

Everyone's experience here is different. I really want to settle in and have this place be great, but so far it's let me down and not one of the above gripes have anything to do with my pay (besides it not being correct). FWIW I hear the AB IWA schedules are some of the best in the system (if your not being TDY'd to FL). Supposedly senior guys/girls are getting up to 15-16 off, I wish we could still do that on the -80. If your set on coming here and willing to move to base perhaps that is the place to go?

Good Luck.
Old 08-16-2015 | 08:15 PM
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Some of the flight cancellations for Sunday Aug 16th, posted on the Allegiant website. Many of these passengers had show tickets, weddings, funerals and other events to attend that will now be missed. Additional flights are pending cancellation.


Travel Advisory

We thank you for flying and choosing us here at Allegiant, where "Travel is our Deal".

Flight 198 originally scheduled to depart Mesa, AZ to Great Falls, MT on August 16, 2015 will now be operating as flight 5198 on August 17, 2015. The new scheduled time of departure out of Mesa, AZ has yet to be determined, but communication will be made as soon as it is known.

Flight 199 originally scheduled to depart Great Falls, MT to Mesa, AZ on August 16, 2015 will now be operating as flight 5199 on August 17, 2015. The new scheduled time of departure out of Great Falls, MT has yet to be determined, but communication will be made as soon as it is known.

Flight 557 originally scheduled to depart Medford, OR to Las Vegas, NV on August 16, 2015 will now be operating as flight 5557 on August 17, 2015. The new scheduled time of departure out of Medford, OR is 12:00 PM, arriving in Las Vegas, NV at 1:46 PM.

Flight 661 originally scheduled to depart Belleville, IL to Sanford, FL on August 16, 2015 will now be operating as flight 5661 on August 17, 2015. The new scheduled time of departure out of Belleville, IL is 11:00 AM, arriving in Sanford, FL at 2:10 PM.

Flight 912 originally scheduled to depart Fort Lauderdale, FL to Greenville, SC on August 16, 2015 will now be operating as flight 5912 on August 17, 2015. The new scheduled time of departure out of Fort Lauderdale, FL has yet to be determined, but communication will be made as soon as it is known.

Flight 913 originally scheduled to depart Greenville, SC to Fort Lauderdale, FL on August 16, 2015 will now be operating as flight 5913 on August 17, 2015. The new scheduled time of departure out of Greenville, SC has yet to be determined, but communication will be made as soon as it is known.

Flight 943 originally scheduled to depart Lexington, KY to Fort Lauderdale, FL on August 16, 2015 will now be operating as flight 5943 on August 17, 2015. The new scheduled time of departure out of Lexington, KY has yet to be determined, but communication will be made as soon as it is known.
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