I believe the weakness is slowly being eradicated. The disrespect is still there, though. I believe once the weakness is gone, the respect will show up.

All that said, I feel bad for you guys. That pay system straight up sucks. You're relying on the guys who control the books not to "cook" them.

It may take a strike to correct it. No one should have to plan their financial future or present based on a Company profit margin. Its patently ridiculous.

Seriously?? You're either new or your head is in the sand. Everything on here is correct. You won't find another airline where this is acceptable. Why is it ok at Allegiant?? (Yes. I know. It's part of our "DNA") :rolleyes:

Can someone explain the "Band 2" in your pay scale?

"Band 1" is the lowest amount of pay per hour that they can give us. If the company posts a 6%-14% profit the pay moves to "Band 2" which is about $5 across the board raise. (I don't have the contract right in front of me so I may be a little off, but you get the point). If the company makes 14-20% we move to "Band 3", again about a $5 per hour raise. Finally, if the company makes above 20% then we move to "Band 4", again about another $5 pay raise. So the pilot pay is tied to how much money the company makes. The percentage profits is based on a look back over the last 4 quarters and whether we move pay bands is evaluated twice per year, May and November.

It was sold to the pilot group in this way. Band 1 is our pay rates, then each pay band above that was supposed to be our "profit sharing". That is the best explanation of "band pay" that I can give. Hope it helps.

I remember one year in recurrent when we had just barely kept Band 3 with a margin of 14.05%. While being asked about some other issues the pilots were enduring, A.L said, "you know, that Band 3 you just kept COULD have gone the other way." Didn't know how to interpret that. Lorenzo in the making....

That statement from our vp sums it up. Reminiscent of a ye old plantation owner telling his slave hands to like what I give you.

Thanks for the good explanation, flyingdutch. I've been around the block in this biz but I haven't heard of this system until now.

So, are things at Allegiant really as bad as the various posts the last few weeks seem to indicate?

According to our work rules the pay band method we've been using was only agreed upon thru 11/1/2013. So it'll be interesting to see how they approach on May 1.

Yes. The posts have been pretty much spot on. This group is ****ed off. The new PBS system helped solidify the group from top to bottom. No one is immune anymore. There are senior CAs that helped build this company, that a year ago wouldn't have left for anything. They are now getting their logbooks up to date and polishing their resumes. Guys that haven't sat a RSV shift in over 8 years are having RSV days plugged into their schedules to keep them at or near min days off. And that's just scratching the surface on one aspect. It's bad.