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Old 06-30-2016, 06:10 AM   #3261  
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Enough about what might happen if we vote down the TA. The fact remains that the company came to us with an offer after they had refused to negotiate for 3.5 years. And it was a significant offer that would cost them millions.

That tells me something very significant forced them to make a deal which gives the pilots a lot of negotiating power. If this TA isn't up to industry standard, I say vote it down. I would bet we'll have an even better offer within a month.
Funny... Someone posted this exact same thing, almost word for word on the Facebook section yesterday. So much for your anonymity.
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Old 06-30-2016, 07:20 AM   #3262  
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Here's what we know;

After 3+ years the company got serious and came to us with an offer. The Exco and NC said its the best we can get. They've also stated that the mediator hasn't been receptive to many of our counter offers.

If we turn down this offer, we have no idea how long we'll be on ice. Someone earlier mentioned what happened to Eagle after they turned down their offer. I was there and it wasn't pretty. Now before someone brings up that Eagle was a FFD airline, we'll be giving up scope. Scope is one of those sections that if we blindly whistle by it, could be our demise.

Also note, that we'll be looking at 18-24 months before we're here in the position again. That means the company has their costs locked in for at least 2 years. A company that has the ability to return $250 million to share holders last year can do wonder with their projections for the next two years.

Terrorist attacks are happening all across the globe. It's just a matter of time until we get hit again. I pray I'm wrong but that's my gut feeling. Especially when the guy in Orlando calls 911 and stated he's a terrorist and the DOJ tries to scrub it. Having a contract in a potential downturn could be make a huge difference.

So please let's all remember a couple of things: 1)we don't have the whole picture. And since we don't have the whole picture we're shooting in the dark. The only ones who do have the whole picture already have plans for us in the event we say no. 2) no one has read the language yet. Let's see what the language looks like, go to the road shows, and have our vote with our eyes wide open.

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Old 06-30-2016, 08:17 AM   #3263  
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How many pilots are you guys losing a month? Are you having problems hiring?
There are several guys on here who are saying if this is shot down then the company has their own plan B? The company needs pilots and if this is shot down and the bleeding continues there will be no pilots left to carry out their plan B. The company needs to recruit pilots and your current pay and work rules aren't getting that done. Allegiant doesn't operate in a vacuum. They are competing for pilots right alongside AA, Delta, and United. They can have a great plan B. But if they end up with no pilot to carry out plan B, then it isn't worth jack ****.
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Old 06-30-2016, 08:24 AM   #3264  
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I've been off the grid for a few days and I'm very disappointed to come back and find on here what people are saying. I find it unnerving that the final language isn't out yet but the road show schedule is still a go for next week.

What I am seeing is the company screwed up and should have offered a lower rate because we have a pilot group that is willing to sell work rules down the river for a few $s. Has anyone done the actual math on the "easy" $250k claim for a "mid level" captain? I have and can't get to it.

You guys get the contract you deserve, enjoy your 6 paired days off and the rest single days.
It will be out today. I suggest you call a rep or even a member of the exco themselves. So quick to point fingers but yet you don't really have a clue what is going on behind the scenes.
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I don't give a sh1t what's going on behind the scenes. I don't give a sh1t about the roadshows. I can read just fine and can make a decision based on the actual TA. I will be contacting all of them if it's as bad as the notes that have been passed around. They signed up for this, they knew what they were getting into. I think I may have heard others use the same thought process with accepting single days off. You came to allegiant knowing that, well, they signed up for this knowing what comes with it.
Looks like you'll fit right in at Big D...
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Old 06-30-2016, 09:28 AM   #3266  
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Looks like you'll fit right in at Big D...
I sure hope you get hired! If you haven't had the interview yet please don't let them see what a tool you are. I'd hate for you to blow it.
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You're on the Bus. It's mainly an 80 issue as the Bus flies 7 days a week. Least that's what it seems. Although the poor junior CA in OAK back in Dec/Jan had min days off and every one was a single day off. So it can and does happen to both fleets.
I'm on the 'Bus as well and had 8 single days off with a mixed line for June. Not a great month.

I realize that the company needs flexibility in scheduling, but it seems that in many cases (including mine) SDO was more a lack of a proper scheduling program -and motivation to make said program work for the pilots- than scheduling necessity.

I should hope that any TA includes a provision that gradually reduces the number of single days off allowed per month over the term of the CBA. I realize that their elimination my be impossible right now, but movement in the right direction is important to many of us, and the rumored agreement doesn't satisfy that need.

With respect to that particular item, I think that a 3-year agreement would have been much more palatable...in fact, that would seem to be the case for most of the work rule changes the the NC is rumored to have TAd. Five years of basically the same work rules with little to no movement in the right direction is a little tough to swallow.
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Old 06-30-2016, 11:06 AM   #3268  
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Let's all congratulate Fish for fun he will be our new negotiater. After 4 years hundreds of hours in meetings we get a good TA. But some think we can squeeze a little more, talk to anyone in negotiations and they will say that's it, nothing left.
For you Pilots wanting a few days off drop your trips out in open time I'll bet numerous Pilots will pick up with new rates, I sure will or better yet let it go into a MM type trip we get 200% more.
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Question: How do you pick up open time with 6 single days off in a month? Remember; $$$ isn't everything. Go back a page and even Delta agrees. I know the attack is coming, but its just a question. And for those who say its a bid problem; it is not. It is the company manipulating the schedules. There are a lot of pilots who end up with the minimum day off issue, and we aren't going to pick up open time to spend our valuable one day off at AAY.
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Question: How do you pick up open time with 6 single days off in a month? Remember; $$$ isn't everything. Go back a page and even Delta agrees. I know the attack is coming, but its just a question. And for those who say its a bid problem; it is not. It is the company manipulating the schedules. There are a lot of pilots who end up with the minimum day off issue, and we aren't going to pick up open time to spend our valuable one day off at AAY.
It gets picked up somehow, given open time seems to disappear pretty quickly. Also, I'm pretty sure there are people who are willing to accept picking up a Monday open trip to actually make some money, knowing they probably won't get called on their reserve days Tues/Wed.
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