Allegiant Air
07-01-2016, 10:09 AM
#3362
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Posts: 2,940
Originally Posted by crxpilot
People wanted scope, ya got scope. You guys are thinking way too much into this. The only subcontracting they do is when they are severely short on crews due to training shutdowns or some grounding event for aircraft. This is AAA baseball here, not the MLB. Allegiant is not that creative.
07-01-2016, 10:09 AM
#3363
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Position: 320A
Posts: 909
Originally Posted by tailendcharlie
I think some of you missed your calling.....should have gone into Constitutional Law....
07-01-2016, 10:11 AM
#3364
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Originally Posted by FloridaGator
This part scares me guys.
" Nothing in this section shall preclude the Company from entering into a capacity purchase, code-share agreement, a marketing agreement, an interline agreement, a pro-rate, block space agreement, or joint venture, so long as such agreements do not result in the furlough of any of the Company’s Pilots."
I'm wondering if the reason they rushed out this deal and finally decided to negotiate has EVERYTHING to do with this paragraph. Could the rumors actually be true about code-sharing with regionals?
If they pen an agreement now with a regional, and we use negotiations and threat of strike to abolish their ability to sub-contract..... They will have millions to pay that regional to break the contract. But if we sign this contract..... We may never grow the seniority list by one more person while all the growth goes to RJ's.
Am I reading this correctly?
Why the hell is this paragraph in here?
" Nothing in this section shall preclude the Company from entering into a capacity purchase, code-share agreement, a marketing agreement, an interline agreement, a pro-rate, block space agreement, or joint venture, so long as such agreements do not result in the furlough of any of the Company’s Pilots."
I'm wondering if the reason they rushed out this deal and finally decided to negotiate has EVERYTHING to do with this paragraph. Could the rumors actually be true about code-sharing with regionals?
If they pen an agreement now with a regional, and we use negotiations and threat of strike to abolish their ability to sub-contract..... They will have millions to pay that regional to break the contract. But if we sign this contract..... We may never grow the seniority list by one more person while all the growth goes to RJ's.
Am I reading this correctly?
Why the hell is this paragraph in here?
07-01-2016, 10:24 AM
#3365
Line Holder
Joined APC: Sep 2007
Position: A-320 First Officer
Posts: 57
Guys I know it's hard to trust this management but I think we are being way to paranoid about this "supposed" loophole. The union's attorney looked into this and our negotiators did as well and I trust those guys when they say we have solid scope. Listen any airline with some nifty lawyers can get around ANY scope if they really wanted to. I just don't believe that it's in Allegiant's interest to do so. This Scope makes it hard for them, and while everyone agrees that the work rules are not great, it's better than being at will employees! Vote this down we are gonna be At Will employees for another couple years most likely and then it's a toss up whether we gain anything else in a new TA, WE WILL NOT GET RELEASED! If you hate this so much, we sign this contract make more money while you continue to network, go to job fairs, and update your apps at all the legacies plus UPS and FEDEX. That's what I'm doing. You are gambling with some serious money by turning this TA away, I'm not wealthy enough to take chances like that. Sorry
07-01-2016, 10:35 AM
#3366
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Joined APC: Oct 2008
Posts: 551
Originally Posted by skyrider1015
Guys I know it's hard to trust this management but I think we are being way to paranoid about this "supposed" loophole. The union's attorney looked into this and our negotiators did as well and I trust those guys when they say we have solid scope. Listen any airline with some nifty lawyers can get around ANY scope if they really wanted to. I just don't believe that it's in Allegiant's interest to do so. This Scope makes it hard for them, and while everyone agrees that the work rules are not great, it's better than being at will employees! Vote this down we are gonna be At Will employees for another couple years most likely and then it's a toss up whether we gain anything else in a new TA, WE WILL NOT GET RELEASED! If you hate this so much, we sign this contract make more money while you continue to network, go to job fairs, and update your apps at all the legacies plus UPS and FEDEX. That's what I'm doing. You are gambling with some serious money by turning this TA away, I'm not wealthy enough to take chances like that. Sorry
07-01-2016, 10:40 AM
#3367
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Position: A-320 First Officer
Posts: 57
I understand your concerns, but at the very least go to the roadshow and point blank voice your concerns to our union guys and listen to what they say and take that into consideration. I have flown very recently with 2 of the guys and hearing some of the things they said to me about how rigged the process is against us changed my mind in all this.
07-01-2016, 10:54 AM
#3368
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Position: AB
Posts: 292
Originally Posted by Vegaspilot
I agree. I put nothing past this management, no matter how improbable it may seem.
Originally Posted by Vegaspilot
And this is the management to take total advantage of that very type of thing.
Don't you think that while they have grand plans for expansion if we vote yes, that they'll still be happy with the current profit margin and slower expansion if we vote no? Don't you think they'll lower their requirements to include entry level regional pilots and just put the onus on the training department to get the job done?
What does your crystal ball say?
07-01-2016, 11:56 AM
#3369
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Posts: 551
Originally Posted by skyrider1015
I understand your concerns, but at the very least go to the roadshow and point blank voice your concerns to our union guys and listen to what they say and take that into consideration. I have flown very recently with 2 of the guys and hearing some of the things they said to me about how rigged the process is against us changed my mind in all this.
07-01-2016, 12:13 PM
#3370
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Posts: 551
Originally Posted by JustWatching
Right... So doesn't it behoove us to vote yes and have something legal to fall back on? Right now we have nothing. We have no rules whatsoever, right? Didn't the Federal court affirm this? So, if we vote no, what's to prevent the company from starting that second carrier, or lowering our pay and benefits, or doing anything else they want?
Don't you think that while they have grand plans for expansion if we vote yes, that they'll still be happy with the current profit margin and slower expansion if we vote no? Don't you think they'll lower their requirements to include entry level regional pilots and just put the onus on the training department to get the job done?
What does your crystal ball say?
Don't you think that while they have grand plans for expansion if we vote yes, that they'll still be happy with the current profit margin and slower expansion if we vote no? Don't you think they'll lower their requirements to include entry level regional pilots and just put the onus on the training department to get the job done?
What does your crystal ball say?
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