Allegiant Air
06-30-2016, 09:40 PM
#3331
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Position: Airbus CA
Posts: 910
Originally Posted by GordoCooper
I love this one:
"Positive Contact shall be considered "made” if the Company notifies the Pilot of a delayed Report Time and the Pilot fails to respond back to the Company acknowledging his receipt of such notification"
So they call you; you don't even have your phone on because you've been assigned a trip earlier; and you fail to respond back and you are officially notified somehow! Get ready; the infamous phone message left for you on your day off now states you have been notified of a change in your schedule.
Just one more reason for my vote.....how can this pass???
Looks to me like a yes vote means we are all potentially reserve/reassign pilots 24/7. Just don't respond, and it's considered confirmed?! WHAT?
"Positive Contact shall be considered "made” if the Company notifies the Pilot of a delayed Report Time and the Pilot fails to respond back to the Company acknowledging his receipt of such notification"
So they call you; you don't even have your phone on because you've been assigned a trip earlier; and you fail to respond back and you are officially notified somehow! Get ready; the infamous phone message left for you on your day off now states you have been notified of a change in your schedule.
Just one more reason for my vote.....how can this pass???
Looks to me like a yes vote means we are all potentially reserve/reassign pilots 24/7. Just don't respond, and it's considered confirmed?! WHAT?
06-30-2016, 09:54 PM
#3332
On Reserve
Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 11
I have read through every page of the TA. While it is a HUGE improvement from the garbage we have now, it is not acceptable to me. We are the most profitable airline in the country and run leaner than any of our competition. This is the one time that management "needs" us. 4 weeks ago there was little to no progress on the major areas of the TA. Now we have this? Ask yourself why? Is it that Airbus will not make a deal on the 36 new A320's until a deal is reached with the pilot group? They have been at HQ a lot lately. Oil is low and almost every airline is hiring. 2 out of 8 expected new hires actually showed up on Monday. That speaks volumes. This is our opportunity to get what we have all been denied for years, don't let it slip away and accept the first offer they toss out. Would you go to a car dealer and accept the first offer to buy a new car? I know that it is up to each of us to decide what they feel is best for them and their family, but for me and mine the answer is NO.
06-30-2016, 10:01 PM
#3333
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 59
G. Notifications Regarding Assignments
After Positive Contact, a Pilot is responsible for any assignment given by the Company, which will be posted within the scheduling system. This includes any Company assigned Duty including but not limited to, RAP, ADD, ROE, etc
I'm just bringing up a point. We can easily word this correctly; or plan on grieving it later! According to this small item; they can leave you a message at 3am, and now your duty time starts at noon the next day instead of 7am. just as an example of course. So does this make you a reserve? No. But its close!
After Positive Contact, a Pilot is responsible for any assignment given by the Company, which will be posted within the scheduling system. This includes any Company assigned Duty including but not limited to, RAP, ADD, ROE, etc
I'm just bringing up a point. We can easily word this correctly; or plan on grieving it later! According to this small item; they can leave you a message at 3am, and now your duty time starts at noon the next day instead of 7am. just as an example of course. So does this make you a reserve? No. But its close!
06-30-2016, 10:11 PM
#3334
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2016
Position: jets
Posts: 220
Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
And if that call never comes?
At least you make money while you wait for the next contract or merger and they can't fire you because they don't like you.
07-01-2016, 12:52 AM
#3335
Line Holder
Joined APC: Sep 2015
Posts: 34
Removal from a trip for IOE:
If I'm to understand this correctly, if you get removed from a trip for IOE, you then sit a ROE Obligation day. On this day, you can:
1. Pick up any open trip or RAP on any other day in the month and have the ROE day satisfied,
2. Be assigned an open time trip by the company, or
3. "One (1) ROE Day shall be dropped from the Pilot’s schedule for every one (1) day of an awarded or assigned Trip Pairing or RAP". (Can someone help me understand this last one??)
With regards to open time assignment, if you are on ROE, you are first in line, above any reserve holder, regardless of call out credit. There is no more limitation on an assignment fitting within your original footprint. If for instance you fly morning trips and are removed on your last day for IOE, there's no limitation that restricts the company from putting that crappy four leg trip that finishes at midnight on your schedule.
Is this a correct interpretation?
If I'm to understand this correctly, if you get removed from a trip for IOE, you then sit a ROE Obligation day. On this day, you can:
1. Pick up any open trip or RAP on any other day in the month and have the ROE day satisfied,
2. Be assigned an open time trip by the company, or
3. "One (1) ROE Day shall be dropped from the Pilot’s schedule for every one (1) day of an awarded or assigned Trip Pairing or RAP". (Can someone help me understand this last one??)
With regards to open time assignment, if you are on ROE, you are first in line, above any reserve holder, regardless of call out credit. There is no more limitation on an assignment fitting within your original footprint. If for instance you fly morning trips and are removed on your last day for IOE, there's no limitation that restricts the company from putting that crappy four leg trip that finishes at midnight on your schedule.
Is this a correct interpretation?
07-01-2016, 01:05 AM
#3336
Gets Tue/Wed and Sat Off
Joined APC: Oct 2008
Posts: 551
Originally Posted by SkiVasquez
Removal from a trip for IOE:
If I'm to understand this correctly, if you get removed from a trip for IOE, you then sit a ROE Obligation day. On this day, you can:
1. Pick up any open trip or RAP on any other day in the month and have the ROE day satisfied,
2. Be assigned an open time trip by the company, or
3. "One (1) ROE Day shall be dropped from the Pilot’s schedule for every one (1) day of an awarded or assigned Trip Pairing or RAP". (Can someone help me understand this last one??)
With regards to open time assignment, if you are on ROE, you are first in line, above any reserve holder, regardless of call out credit. There is no more limitation on an assignment fitting within your original footprint. If for instance you fly morning trips and are removed on your last day for IOE, there's no limitation that restricts the company from putting that crappy four leg trip that finishes at midnight on your schedule.
Is this a correct interpretation?
If I'm to understand this correctly, if you get removed from a trip for IOE, you then sit a ROE Obligation day. On this day, you can:
1. Pick up any open trip or RAP on any other day in the month and have the ROE day satisfied,
2. Be assigned an open time trip by the company, or
3. "One (1) ROE Day shall be dropped from the Pilot’s schedule for every one (1) day of an awarded or assigned Trip Pairing or RAP". (Can someone help me understand this last one??)
With regards to open time assignment, if you are on ROE, you are first in line, above any reserve holder, regardless of call out credit. There is no more limitation on an assignment fitting within your original footprint. If for instance you fly morning trips and are removed on your last day for IOE, there's no limitation that restricts the company from putting that crappy four leg trip that finishes at midnight on your schedule.
Is this a correct interpretation?
07-01-2016, 02:32 AM
#3337
Line Holder
Joined APC: Oct 2014
Position: MD CA
Posts: 97
Originally Posted by Johndoe1
I have read through every page of the TA. While it is a HUGE improvement from the garbage we have now, it is not acceptable to me. We are the most profitable airline in the country and run leaner than any of our competition. This is the one time that management "needs" us. 4 weeks ago there was little to no progress on the major areas of the TA. Now we have this? Ask yourself why? Is it that Airbus will not make a deal on the 36 new A320's until a deal is reached with the pilot group? They have been at HQ a lot lately. Oil is low and almost every airline is hiring. 2 out of 8 expected new hires actually showed up on Monday. That speaks volumes. This is our opportunity to get what we have all been denied for years, don't let it slip away and accept the first offer they toss out. Would you go to a car dealer and accept the first offer to buy a new car? I know that it is up to each of us to decide what they feel is best for them and their family, but for me and mine the answer is NO.
07-01-2016, 05:15 AM
#3338
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2005
Posts: 442
Originally Posted by INXS
This is why I can vote YES for this TA which is light years ahead of where we are now: 4% 401k, $160 top Captain pay, $97 top First Officer pay, and our 3 work rules, sort of.
I'm not disagreeing with your post but want to make a point of order. Present topped out captain pay is not $160/hr. Band 1 is your pay rate with the difference in the other bands counted as profit sharing. Topped out captain pay is $140/hr and F/O is $82/hr.
Carry on.
07-01-2016, 05:25 AM
#3339
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Position: Airbus CA
Posts: 910
Originally Posted by GordoCooper
G. Notifications Regarding Assignments
After Positive Contact, a Pilot is responsible for any assignment given by the Company, which will be posted within the scheduling system. This includes any Company assigned Duty including but not limited to, RAP, ADD, ROE, etc
I'm just bringing up a point. We can easily word this correctly; or plan on grieving it later! According to this small item; they can leave you a message at 3am, and now your duty time starts at noon the next day instead of 7am. just as an example of course. So does this make you a reserve? No. But its close!
After Positive Contact, a Pilot is responsible for any assignment given by the Company, which will be posted within the scheduling system. This includes any Company assigned Duty including but not limited to, RAP, ADD, ROE, etc
I'm just bringing up a point. We can easily word this correctly; or plan on grieving it later! According to this small item; they can leave you a message at 3am, and now your duty time starts at noon the next day instead of 7am. just as an example of course. So does this make you a reserve? No. But its close!
I agree about losing the footprint protection for reassignment after removal for training. On the plus side they have 'till 1800 the day before to assign you if not you're off.
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