Allegiant Air
06-30-2016, 06:14 PM
#3312
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A320
Posts: 1,347
Originally Posted by Der Meister
How is it that a reserve days counts for 3.75 but a vacation day is only 2.85????
Vacation week is 20 hours. Four weeks of vacation is 80 hours.
Reserve is 72 hours for four weeks.
06-30-2016, 06:38 PM
#3314
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 28
Originally Posted by wette460
why the hell would they prohibit picking up open time on vacation? That is an easy way to make extra money and with them crediting vacation as days off, that could end up taking money out of line holder's pockets.
06-30-2016, 07:46 PM
#3315
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 59
I love this one:
"Positive Contact shall be considered "made” if the Company notifies the Pilot of a delayed Report Time and the Pilot fails to respond back to the Company acknowledging his receipt of such notification"
So they call you; you don't even have your phone on because you've been assigned a trip earlier; and you fail to respond back and you are officially notified somehow! Get ready; the infamous phone message left for you on your day off now states you have been notified of a change in your schedule.
Just one more reason for my vote.....how can this pass???
Looks to me like a yes vote means we are all potentially reserve/reassign pilots 24/7. Just don't respond, and it's considered confirmed?! WHAT?
"Positive Contact shall be considered "made” if the Company notifies the Pilot of a delayed Report Time and the Pilot fails to respond back to the Company acknowledging his receipt of such notification"
So they call you; you don't even have your phone on because you've been assigned a trip earlier; and you fail to respond back and you are officially notified somehow! Get ready; the infamous phone message left for you on your day off now states you have been notified of a change in your schedule.
Just one more reason for my vote.....how can this pass???
Looks to me like a yes vote means we are all potentially reserve/reassign pilots 24/7. Just don't respond, and it's considered confirmed?! WHAT?
06-30-2016, 08:04 PM
#3317
Lifer
Joined APC: Apr 2009
Position: MD80 CA
Posts: 176
So, is this TA going to pass? Sounds about 60/40 pass from my circle of pilot-buds. When I filled out my Teamster surveys over the years I indicated that I would be happy with the Spirit pay scale, Spirit retirement, and that I would accept somewhat limited work rules to fit the Allegiant model. Especially since we have about 3 functional work rules as it stands with zero path to enforcement. That was the mantra.
With TAFB (Time Away From Base) hovering at 100 hours/mo. here vs. 250-300 at all other airlines I could find happiness and feel that my hard work was being recognized by my airline.
It is apples vs. oranges when you look at the TAFB hours here vs. any other carrier. Seems many take issue with a single day off here and there. I get a single day off every Saturday in LAS flying the MD80. That is a small price to pay for 150-200 hours at home/mo. Quick math: average 7 days at home more than other airlines with overnights. That is a lot of time to call yours at home.
Well, looks like Spirit was 9% 401k match while this TA gives us 10% 401k match + profit sharing
Spirit was $185 top Captain pay while this TA gives us $216-$232 (over 5 yrs)
Spirit was $109 top First Officer pay while this TA gives us $145-$155 (over 5 yrs)
Not to mention Scope & timing (Now)
This is why I can vote YES for this TA which is light years ahead of where we are now: 4% 401k, $160 top Captain pay, $97 top First Officer pay, and our 3 work rules, sort of.
In my view, TAFB is the key here; Out and backs being the backbone of our business model.
Noted: This is from a senior point of view but all will be senior at some point either on the Captain or First Officer side.
Chip away…
With TAFB (Time Away From Base) hovering at 100 hours/mo. here vs. 250-300 at all other airlines I could find happiness and feel that my hard work was being recognized by my airline.
It is apples vs. oranges when you look at the TAFB hours here vs. any other carrier. Seems many take issue with a single day off here and there. I get a single day off every Saturday in LAS flying the MD80. That is a small price to pay for 150-200 hours at home/mo. Quick math: average 7 days at home more than other airlines with overnights. That is a lot of time to call yours at home.
Well, looks like Spirit was 9% 401k match while this TA gives us 10% 401k match + profit sharing
Spirit was $185 top Captain pay while this TA gives us $216-$232 (over 5 yrs)
Spirit was $109 top First Officer pay while this TA gives us $145-$155 (over 5 yrs)
Not to mention Scope & timing (Now)
This is why I can vote YES for this TA which is light years ahead of where we are now: 4% 401k, $160 top Captain pay, $97 top First Officer pay, and our 3 work rules, sort of.
In my view, TAFB is the key here; Out and backs being the backbone of our business model.
Noted: This is from a senior point of view but all will be senior at some point either on the Captain or First Officer side.
Chip away…
06-30-2016, 08:09 PM
#3318
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2016
Position: jets
Posts: 220
I think everybody's been let down a little bit and instinct might be to vote it down but ask yourself a couple questions first:
-If you're new here, is this where you wanted to be for your career? If not, then why not get more money and slightly better QOL while you wait for your dream job to call.
-If you've been here a long time, if this TA would've been passed down 3, 2, or 1 year ago even... Would you have voted yes?
-Are we OK giving up Scope and other protections that are afforded with a yes vote?
-Do you really think Allegiant won't merge, buy, or be bought by someone in the next 2-5 years? What happens if we vote no and they announce a merger while we wait for the new NC to gear up? How would you feel?
-If it took 2-3 more years would you be ok suffering with the status quo and walking away from an extra 30-50k in compensation each of those years?
-Are most of your issues with the company related to CBI/Merlot? If so, maybe things will get ALOT better with this TA.
I think it's best to think of this contract as a 'bridge contract'... Bridging us to where we wanna be, whether it's a legacy carrier or as a decent starting point when we merge down the road. Life is about compromise and as it sits this isn't a horrible compromise.
-If you're new here, is this where you wanted to be for your career? If not, then why not get more money and slightly better QOL while you wait for your dream job to call.
-If you've been here a long time, if this TA would've been passed down 3, 2, or 1 year ago even... Would you have voted yes?
-Are we OK giving up Scope and other protections that are afforded with a yes vote?
-Do you really think Allegiant won't merge, buy, or be bought by someone in the next 2-5 years? What happens if we vote no and they announce a merger while we wait for the new NC to gear up? How would you feel?
-If it took 2-3 more years would you be ok suffering with the status quo and walking away from an extra 30-50k in compensation each of those years?
-Are most of your issues with the company related to CBI/Merlot? If so, maybe things will get ALOT better with this TA.
I think it's best to think of this contract as a 'bridge contract'... Bridging us to where we wanna be, whether it's a legacy carrier or as a decent starting point when we merge down the road. Life is about compromise and as it sits this isn't a horrible compromise.
06-30-2016, 08:18 PM
#3320
On Reserve
Joined APC: Feb 2015
Position: Airbus CA
Posts: 15
Originally Posted by N1sync
I think everybody's been let down a little bit and instinct might be to vote it down but ask yourself a couple questions first:
-If you're new here, is this where you wanted to be for your career? If not, then why not get more money and slightly better QOL while you wait for your dream job to call.
-If you've been here a long time, if this TA would've been passed down 3, 2, or 1 year ago even... Would you have voted yes?
-Are we OK giving up Scope and other protections that are afforded with a yes vote?
-Do you really think Allegiant won't merge, buy, or be bought by someone in the next 2-5 years? What happens if we vote no and they announce a merger while we wait for the new NC to gear up? How would you feel?
-If it took 2-3 more years would you be ok suffering with the status quo and walking away from an extra 30-50k in compensation each of those years?
-Are most of your issues with the company related to CBI/Merlot? If so, maybe things will get ALOT better with this TA.
I think it's best to think of this contract as a 'bridge contract'... Bridging us to where we wanna be, whether it's a legacy carrier or as a decent starting point when we merge down the road. Life is about compromise and as it sits this isn't a horrible compromise.
-If you're new here, is this where you wanted to be for your career? If not, then why not get more money and slightly better QOL while you wait for your dream job to call.
-If you've been here a long time, if this TA would've been passed down 3, 2, or 1 year ago even... Would you have voted yes?
-Are we OK giving up Scope and other protections that are afforded with a yes vote?
-Do you really think Allegiant won't merge, buy, or be bought by someone in the next 2-5 years? What happens if we vote no and they announce a merger while we wait for the new NC to gear up? How would you feel?
-If it took 2-3 more years would you be ok suffering with the status quo and walking away from an extra 30-50k in compensation each of those years?
-Are most of your issues with the company related to CBI/Merlot? If so, maybe things will get ALOT better with this TA.
I think it's best to think of this contract as a 'bridge contract'... Bridging us to where we wanna be, whether it's a legacy carrier or as a decent starting point when we merge down the road. Life is about compromise and as it sits this isn't a horrible compromise.
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