Allegiant Air
06-29-2016 | 08:37 AM
#3211
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My perspective, based on recent experience, is that your single best source of information will come from the only entity required by law to be truthful with you, your union's negotiators, not social media. Read the material offered to you by your negotiators, ask them questions and make an informed decision on what is best for you and your family.
06-29-2016 | 08:45 AM
#3212
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jan 2009
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My perspective, based on recent experience, is that your single best source of information will come from the only entity required by law to be truthful with you, your union's negotiators, not social media. Read the material offered to you by your negotiators, ask them questions and make an informed decision on what is best for you and your family.
06-29-2016 | 08:48 AM
#3213
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Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,072
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From: CA
Highest pay rate of the ULCC doesn't mean much without solid work rules to back those rates up. I've said since day one that work rules are the most important part with pay rates a distant second. I don't expect 4 days off after every set of trips (would have been nice sure), but I was hoping for 3 and expecting no less than 2. The single days off provision really is unacceptable. Suppose you get 16 days off (stop laughing it happens to people once in a great while here)...the company only has to attach 6 of those days together leaving you the potential for 10 single days off. Seriously?? How is anyone ok with that? I know junior pilots at other airlines getting more days off and NO SINGLES. While that's my biggest issue with the TA, I have a few others as well. We are going to have to live with this for the next 5-8 years most likely, so think hard and read every word to make sure you're ok with EVERYTHING in there and not just blinded by the pay rates.
The single days off is an issue, I understand. Probably get a bit better as the Airbus gradually takes over and flies more of a 7-day week schedule. I doubt Allegiant will ever be commuter- friendly though, not with this T/A or the next one, whenever that might be.
06-29-2016 | 08:48 AM
#3214
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Joined: Mar 2011
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From: Bus Driver
Using the sheet circulated around, I calculate I would have made approximately $4500 more this month. Even more next month as I have 10 more block hours. That's real.
If I believed we would be back negotiating a month later with a new TA possible within 5-6 months I might vote no. But I've seen nothing to suggest that is the case. I'm not willing to go another year+ waiting on a contract so that I can get more than 6 days block off. I can't take that to the bank.
If I believed we would be back negotiating a month later with a new TA possible within 5-6 months I might vote no. But I've seen nothing to suggest that is the case. I'm not willing to go another year+ waiting on a contract so that I can get more than 6 days block off. I can't take that to the bank.
06-29-2016 | 09:14 AM
#3216
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Joined: Jun 2008
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It seems like one big issue is the single days off. Why can we not make an adjustment to limit this before the contract is up for a vote. If involuntary TDY and single days off are strictly limited; would we have a better contract?
06-29-2016 | 09:30 AM
#3217
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Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 480
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From: MD80 CA
If it was that easy single days off would not have been in, in the first place. JB speaking at several groups of pilot, (ground schools ect ) multiple times stated that he had to have single days off to schedule the company. It always seemed to be his big ticket item. I do not believe the company would or will sign anything that takes the single days off completely. So if you can't get ride of them you try to restrict them which the TA does. Not perfect by any means. The big win on the single days is at least in the TA you can not only have single days off all month (which I have had)
06-29-2016 | 09:44 AM
#3218
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,347
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From: A320
For those of us who have been here a while I think it is our duty to engage those hired in the last couple years about the utter shutdown of all available means to fight this company. It goes beyond comprehension.
Vote what you think is right but vote knowing that the game is rigged against you. I agree we deserve more but we have deserved better than the awful proposals from the company up until last year... all of which were met with the mediator nodding along. We will not get released and any gains you want in days off or work rules will be met with a demand you lose something else on this TA.
Solid scope is more important than single days off to me. Many new to Allegiant are unaware of the lengths this company will go to make money. I refuse to negotiate away Scope or Dues Check Off to get more and then watch another pilot group take my job and the union leverage whittle away.
Vote what you think is right but vote knowing that the game is rigged against you. I agree we deserve more but we have deserved better than the awful proposals from the company up until last year... all of which were met with the mediator nodding along. We will not get released and any gains you want in days off or work rules will be met with a demand you lose something else on this TA.
Solid scope is more important than single days off to me. Many new to Allegiant are unaware of the lengths this company will go to make money. I refuse to negotiate away Scope or Dues Check Off to get more and then watch another pilot group take my job and the union leverage whittle away.
06-29-2016 | 09:45 AM
#3219
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Joined: Jan 2016
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Even if this does pass, the law of supply and demand will dictate whether or not Allegiaint will be able to maintain enough pilots to run the airline.
American, Delta, and United are going to hire something like 10000 pilots over the next 5 years. Allegiaint will have to compete with that or simply go out of business. This t/a isn't just about keeping the current pilots from jumping ship but about being able to recruit future pilots. If it doesn't measure up then candidates will bypass them for another airline. Then they'll either have to raise the pay and or work rules or be consigned to steadily shrinking.
Whether or not management would want to improve the work rules doesn't matter if they can't get enough pilots to work for the current ones.
American, Delta, and United are going to hire something like 10000 pilots over the next 5 years. Allegiaint will have to compete with that or simply go out of business. This t/a isn't just about keeping the current pilots from jumping ship but about being able to recruit future pilots. If it doesn't measure up then candidates will bypass them for another airline. Then they'll either have to raise the pay and or work rules or be consigned to steadily shrinking.
Whether or not management would want to improve the work rules doesn't matter if they can't get enough pilots to work for the current ones.
06-29-2016 | 09:48 AM
#3220
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Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 480
Likes: 43
From: MD80 CA
For those of us who have been here a while I think it is our duty to engage those hired in the last couple years about the utter shutdown of all available means to fight this company. It goes beyond comprehension.
Vote what you think is right but vote knowing that the game is rigged against you. I agree we deserve more but we have deserved better than the awful proposals from the company up until last year... all of which were met with the mediator nodding along. We will not get released and any gains you want in days off or work rules will be met with a demand you lose something else on this TA.
Solid scope is more important than single days off to me. Many new to Allegiant are unaware of the lengths this company will go to make money. I refuse to negotiate away Scope or Dues Check Off to get more and then watch another pilot group take my job and the union leverage whittle away.
Vote what you think is right but vote knowing that the game is rigged against you. I agree we deserve more but we have deserved better than the awful proposals from the company up until last year... all of which were met with the mediator nodding along. We will not get released and any gains you want in days off or work rules will be met with a demand you lose something else on this TA.
Solid scope is more important than single days off to me. Many new to Allegiant are unaware of the lengths this company will go to make money. I refuse to negotiate away Scope or Dues Check Off to get more and then watch another pilot group take my job and the union leverage whittle away.
Scope, Union Security, Defendable legal contract. are huge at this company and the CEO was hell bent to keep us from all three.
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