tailendcharlie

Uh, didnt't the 9th say there is no status quo at Allegiant?
Why don't you all wait 'till the road show and look those guys in the eye & ask their opinion what happens if we vote it down? They're probably in the best position to answer hypothetical questions.

Adam Smith

I know you are new, but you might have done a little research before hiring on.

Your research should have included the "status quo" lawsuit brought by the IBT, The status quo strike, the status quo TRO, the loss of that TRO, the suing of the EXCO by Allegiant, the appeal to the 9th circuit and the totally uncool ruling by said court.

First contract, we all deserve AA plus 50%. Today you are an at-will employee at an airline that has fired pilots and destroyed careers to intimidate its workforce.

pipercub

We are at will employees until a contract is in place.

N1sync

There's lots of good reasons to vote this in, job security is a big one, scope, better pay, etc. There's also a lot of good reasons to vote no (if the leaked info is entirely true).
Everyone had their expectations pretty high and I think we all might feel like this didn't quite hit the mark.

Consider this though.. There may be more reasons to pass this now. We (mostly) get the pay we deserve, we have scope too which is HUGE. I don't expect G4 to be a standalone airline by the time the next contract is negotiated, if we don't pass this now we risk a merger coming rapidly and we're stuck with our existing work rules for who knows how long. The economy is also once again teetering on the precipice, brexit, Trump, Hillary, debt ceiling.. Etc etc etc. IF we vote no and all this stuff starts to hit the fan we may have pi$$ed away our best chance at a 'decent' offer.

Consider ALL the facts when we get the details this week but a yes vote sure gives you a better QOL while you continue to wait for Delta, United, American.

smoothatFL410

All very, very good points and certainly has me thinking. Thank you.

I need to see the language, but the bottom line is, regardless of how disappointed you may be in the contract, it would still suck less than it sucks now, including days off and schedules. And all of those points mentioned are very accurate statements of the risks we take if we vote no. Also, with a contract, the company can't change anything, and will be legally bound and granite protections of that contract in place.

Another thing I have been thinking about is the fact that in a couple years there will be some changes in the industry and other airline new contracts coming online including Southwest and Delta, is that our contract will in fact make then us probably by a lot, the lowest-paid airbus or LCC operator. That will affect retention/attrition and the ability to hire qualified applicants. So it would behoove the company to perhaps make some changes which it could do via negotiated LOA's. There is no reason we couldn't get another raise that is better than when and what's stipulated in the contract, or work rules changes such as schedules, days off etc, in order to entice people to want to stay and/or come to Allegiant. It simply just needs to be negotiated and agreed to.

A lot of food for thought.

crxpilot

Allegiant management is two steps ahead of us, that you can believe. Anyone that thinks otherwise is just being foolish.

eagleatr

I believe all three people that are and were on the negotiating committee there volunteered for it. I don't know how many more may have volunteered out of the three that were on it, but there are definitely people you wouldn't want doing it.

smoothatFL410

It is also a thankless position. Most union volunteers are not appreciated the way they should be for the work they do. The negotiating committee, along with elected positions, are probably the most unappreciated, even though they spend thousands of hours of their own time, unpaid, dedicated to helping the membership. And then there are always the rumors of corroboration or corruption with management. I have not been at Allegiant long and I have already heard ridiculous rumors like that. It always happens. I feel for those who have to deal with that kind of crap.

However, having said that, the TA vote will be, as always, a litmus test of how the NC and the EXCO did their job for the pilot group, which was what I was mentioning. They all approved it and sent it with recommendation to the pilots. Certainly not flaming anyone personally, but if the vote fails, that will be their fault, having missed what the pilots wanted and felt was important in a contract, simple as that.

grnclvrs

That's the fastest back pedal i've seen on here in quite a while. Between that and your lack of understanding of the NMB rules and processes. you should just stop posting.

JustWatching

You say you haven't been here long, so I'll say this with all due respect. The members of the NC along with the majority of IBT volunteers bust their butts for this pilot group and not only is it thankless most of the time, but they have to hear idiotic comments like yours above.

These guys along with the AAPAG reps that came before them work for the pilots, not management.