smoothatFL410

I qualified that myself but thank you for repeating it. :-) I have more than a few thousand hours of Union volunteer time myself, which is exactly why I did qualify that. That does not change the fact of what I said, however, on a TA's passing or not is a litmus test to the job they did.

I'm looking forward to getting the contract and hope to be able to vote for it.

Ameriagle

Glad you are on property. Hope you are ready to put your money where your mouth is if this goes to round two! Maybe then, to borrow your words, you can save our group from the dumb and juvenile mistakes made by the current NC with this TA. The NC just gave 3 plus years of their lives to this pilot group, what makes you think they are ready to give the next 3 years?

The NC's effort's should not be reason to vote one way or another, vote for a deal you can get behind. That being said you need to strongly consider what you are personally willing to do (or give-up) in order to achieve a better result at the negotiating table.

Some of your comments are shameful, no matter how much previous union experience you have! SMH in disgust.

smoothatFL410

I stated my opinion on the things that have leaked out, as did several other people. I merely mention that if some of that is true, and we get a TA that is too far from what the pilots want and fails would be the fault of the NC and the EXCO for putting a contract out there to the pilots for a vote on and that's shameful. You can look at it that way if you want, but looking at the over 300 pages of posts in this thread there are A LOT of things I would also consider shameful. I won't apologize for what I said, because what I said is correct when it comes to negotiating committees - it's just how it is in this business. It certainly isn't personal. However, when it comes to voting for a TA, it is very personal. But if I were to vote no on this contract it would not mean I don't appreciate the work that was put in, so let's make that distinction.

And I for one am hoping the contract is good enough to pass.

Vegaspilot

The TA should go out via email Tuesday night or early Wednesday from what I was told. They're meeting with the company today and tomorrow to iron out the language and polish it up.

Ameriagle

Don't care how you vote and don't care why. Care that you seem to think it's OK to use words like dumb and juvenile to describe the pilot's who have worked on your behalf for the past 3 plus years. Do you use those kind of words in their company?

smoothatFL410

Ah. touche'.

You will notice I referred to "if these rumors are true" I would feel that those words would be appropriate - and yes, I certainly would not have a problem saying that in their company, if perhaps more tactful than one is on an anonymous b1tch board. I for one do know a little bit about what an NC goes through. They know to expect some of that. Or at least, they should.

Ameriagle

Thanks, now I know all I need to know about you!

N1sync

Exactly, management has a plan B, C, D, E etc. if we vote no, they will find a way to get what THEY want and it won't necessarily be pretty.

Vote your conscience but consider ALL the consequences. Good and bad

smoothatFL410

No worries. I feel the same about you! ;-)

I won't forget that in the end we are all on the same team, however, and we all have a vote. It's normal for emotions to run high on this stuff. Things will probably get a little ugly the next 30 days and opinions will swing heavy. N1SYNC is absolutely right that a calm head and looking at the big picture, both on paper as well as what's going on in the economy and the airlines need to be considered.

dfwflyboy

lol that write up is complete speculation....