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Old 08-22-2016 | 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyAirJason
I've never seen as many talented, enthusiastic employees as hated and despised by an eye rolling, officious and condescending senior management the way they are here at Allegiant.
For seemingly no apparent reason.
Not sure if this is meant to be slightly sarcastic or just cynical. I guess it depends what you compare to, but for a lot of people coming from regional airlines or defunct cargo companies, Allegiant company culture could be a lot worse.

The management and overall culture is more corporate and less airline than most places. They try to downplay the airline part of the company as much as possible. Personally, I don't give a crap as long as the company makes a lot of money, but if you expect to be treated like a delta sky god, you won't be impressed. As far as pilots are concerned, once you are hired you are treated the same as anyone else in the company. I know of people who've had problems in training who would have easily gotten cut at any regional, and some majors, but they got what they needed at Allegiant and are still earning a paycheck. If you got in trouble or crossed the line in the past the treatment could be severe, however that will change with the new contract since termination and punishment are much more formalized.

All my interactions with senior mgmt, including CEO, COO, 121CP, have been very friendly and professional.
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Old 08-23-2016 | 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by 9easy
Not sure if this is meant to be slightly sarcastic or just cynical. I guess it depends what you compare to, but for a lot of people coming from regional airlines or defunct cargo companies, Allegiant company culture could be a lot worse.

The management and overall culture is more corporate and less airline than most places. They try to downplay the airline part of the company as much as possible. Personally, I don't give a crap as long as the company makes a lot of money, but if you expect to be treated like a delta sky god, you won't be impressed. As far as pilots are concerned, once you are hired you are treated the same as anyone else in the company. I know of people who've had problems in training who would have easily gotten cut at any regional, and some majors, but they got what they needed at Allegiant and are still earning a paycheck. If you got in trouble or crossed the line in the past the treatment could be severe, however that will change with the new contract since termination and punishment are much more formalized.

All my interactions with senior mgmt, including CEO, COO, 121CP, have been very friendly and professional.
What about the guy who was fired for conducting an emergency evac? Has he been reinstated, or maybe the CEO, COO, 121CP haven't been involved yet....
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Old 08-23-2016 | 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by full of luv
What about the guy who was fired for conducting an emergency evac? Has he been reinstated, or maybe the CEO, COO, 121CP haven't been involved yet....
His case is moving through the court system and a lot of high up company officials have already testified. Rumor is he has a very very strong chance of winning.
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Old 08-23-2016 | 12:14 PM
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Old 08-23-2016 | 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 9easy
His case is moving through the court system and a lot of high up company officials have already testified. Rumor is he has a very very strong chance of winning.
From what I know of it, I hope he does with back pay and an apology.
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Old 08-24-2016 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by full of luv
From what I know of it, I hope he does with back pay and an apology.
Could be a very embarrassing and costly settlement for sure. Hard questions will likely be asked as to why this poorly thought-out, knee-jerk, vindictive course of action was taken. Even then, this captain's termination was jaw-dropping, given the evidence of what happened. This has cost the company dearly in terms of negative national media coverage. That's going to continue and will really make G4 look bad if they lose this, which I suspect they will.

The company hasn't been much for accountability, until lately....
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Old 08-24-2016 | 09:19 AM
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Old 08-24-2016 | 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by tyler durden
Could be a very embarrassing and costly settlement for sure. Hard questions will likely be asked as to why this poorly thought-out, knee-jerk, vindictive course of action was taken. Even then, this captain's termination was jaw-dropping, given the evidence of what happened. This has cost the company dearly in terms of negative national media coverage. That's going to continue and will really make G4 look bad if they lose this, which I suspect they will.

The company hasn't been much for accountability, until lately....
There was an extraordinary amount of captains fired in the last five years. His case got the most publicity. I don’t think his law suit is aiming at reinstatement. I think it’s just a cash settlement, which he will probably get. I believe, management claimed he was not humble enough during his interrogation and did not agree with his actions. Hence he was terminated.

Now we have a contract that acts as a buffer by allowing us to mandate representation during any interrogations, I mean safety debriefings. And an arbitration process for any disciplinary action.
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Old 08-24-2016 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by FreshWater
There was an extraordinary amount of captains fired in the last five years. His case got the most publicity. I don’t think his law suit is aiming at reinstatement. I think it’s just a cash settlement, which he will probably get. I believe, management claimed he was not humble enough during his interrogation and did not agree with his actions. Hence he was terminated.

Now we have a contract that acts as a buffer by allowing us to mandate representation during any interrogations, I mean safety debriefings. And an arbitration process for any disciplinary action.
Actually, I think what the company perceived as a lack of humility was more of a look of total bewilderment at the board's bizarre and nonstandard suggestions. The attending union reps were dumbfounded by the board's commentary as well.

Later, the FSRB, namely Bob Lieser, stated that the captain failed to recognize the subject matter experts in the room. I'm not sure what that means exactly. Maybe Bob knows.
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Old 08-24-2016 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyAirJason
Actually, I think what the company perceived as a lack of humility was more of a look of total bewilderment at the board's bizarre and nonstandard suggestions. The attending union reps were dumbfounded by the board's commentary as well.

Later, the FSRB, namely Bob Lieser, stated that the captain failed to recognize the subject matter experts in the room. I'm not sure what that means exactly. Maybe Bob knows.
That was always the problem. You didn’t know which game to play. Statements for safety, or liability. The majority of these interrogations were libelous. And sometimes management wouldn’t allow you to remain silent and/or with representation. Today we can point to our lawyers and say nothing. You treat these things like a cop asking you questions. Now the repercussions are scrutinized by a third party per the contract.
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