Allegiant Air
06-25-2016 | 07:52 AM
#3021
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Joined: Sep 2015
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I disagree that it's short sighted or that we would be settling. I look at that like we're doing our part to keep our different animal profitable. This place isn't designed for commuters. It never has been and never will be.
I do have a big problem with them being able to reduce anything on peak months unless those months are predefined and other slower predefined months come additional days off.
I also expect to see the ability to drop without regard to reserve coverage. They can MM at hopefully 200%. If we still can't drop trips because of coverage, I will be inclined to vote no.
I'm looking forward to the road shows.
I do have a big problem with them being able to reduce anything on peak months unless those months are predefined and other slower predefined months come additional days off.
I also expect to see the ability to drop without regard to reserve coverage. They can MM at hopefully 200%. If we still can't drop trips because of coverage, I will be inclined to vote no.
I'm looking forward to the road shows.
06-25-2016 | 08:29 AM
#3022
New Hire
Joined: Aug 2015
Posts: 4
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Hourly payrates usually don't mean all that much without the associated work rules to go with them. Any info on changes to duty rigs, min day, per diem, pay protection, holiday pay, deadhead pay, sick time, vacation, not having to go to training on your scheduled day off??
06-25-2016 | 08:39 AM
#3023
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Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 57
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From: A-320 First Officer
Well there are too many details that need to be read carefully to understand the true implications, however some of the stuff I been reading, if true, are troubling. Seems to me like our work rules will be subpar compared even to Spirit's current rules. We may be better off voting no and sending a clear message that we mean business. If we hold out until Spirit gets their contract we probably will get a much better deal. And I'm saying this as a guy on first year pay and a family of four desperate for a pay raise. Big picture thinking is crucial here though since WE WILL be stuck with this for the next 10 years. We are the most profitable company in the country, we should be treated accordingly. I understand we can't demand legacy rates, but let's be the highest paid and best work rules LCC out there!
06-25-2016 | 08:43 AM
#3024
Gets Tue/Wed and Sat Off
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 559
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Well there are too many details that need to be read carefully to understand the true implications, however some of the stuff I been reading, if true, are troubling. Seems to me like our work rules will be subpar compared even to Spirit's current rules. We may be better off voting no and sending a clear message that we mean business. If we hold out until Spirit gets their contract we probably will get a much better deal. And I'm saying this as a guy on first year pay and a family of four desperate for a pay raise. Big picture thinking is crucial here though since WE WILL be stuck with this for the next 10 years. We are the most profitable company in the country, we should be treated accordingly. I understand we can't demand legacy rates, but let's be the highest paid and best work rules LCC out there!
06-25-2016 | 09:37 AM
#3025
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Joined: May 2016
Posts: 314
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From: AB
So based on the document that has been floating around that supposedly came from a meeting with the NC and base reps here is where our "TA" stands.
We beat Sprits current contract in:
FO Pay (based on previous proposal to the spirit pilots, it's going to go up for them)
Duty rig
Sick time (only total bank allowed)
401k match
Everything else we are either equal or behind them with this TA, in their CURRENT contract. Not the one they are negotiating, their current. You know their new one will only be better than the current and instantly puts us at the bottom, again.
I was told by the union we were negotiating for Alaska's contract. Instead we got Spirit's without the work rules. I'm waiting to see the final product this week, but as of now it will only change my vote from a no to a hell no. Do your research, talk to your bros at Spirit and other and see how behind this TA is.
We beat Sprits current contract in:
FO Pay (based on previous proposal to the spirit pilots, it's going to go up for them)
Duty rig
Sick time (only total bank allowed)
401k match
Everything else we are either equal or behind them with this TA, in their CURRENT contract. Not the one they are negotiating, their current. You know their new one will only be better than the current and instantly puts us at the bottom, again.
I was told by the union we were negotiating for Alaska's contract. Instead we got Spirit's without the work rules. I'm waiting to see the final product this week, but as of now it will only change my vote from a no to a hell no. Do your research, talk to your bros at Spirit and other and see how behind this TA is.
06-25-2016 | 09:58 AM
#3027
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Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,072
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From: CA
Profit Sharing? Not sure if Spirit or Alaska have this? Based on 2015 we would get around 10% of annual gross....not sure when we'd get the first check. More ? for the Road Show. Also like to see Scope details this + a proper formal grievance & investigation/ displine section are important provisions we currently lack.
06-25-2016 | 10:05 AM
#3028
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Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 59
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Pay issues:
We should be looking at 12 yr CA at $250 ish. Why? Everybody is saying we are stuck with this for 10 years.
As for days off; there is not much info available from the profiles on this site. But, think about this: if MG is allowed to give us 6 single days off, how will your schedule look with even 4 single days off?
It will be a show time of 5:00am Sunday; a subsequent end time of 10:00pm Monday. Tuesday (1 day) off; then a show time of 5:00am Wednesday. Remember; you probably went to sleep at or after midnight on Monday, and due to legality of 117; you will need to be in bed by 7:00pm on your single day off to be rested for your 5:00am show time. Simply repeat this process for a 10:00pm end time Friday, in bed by 7:00pm Saturday, for your 5:00am show time again on Sunday.
The reality is, AAY flys nearly 7 days per week now. I know not a full schedule, but we are in contract negotiations. We should be making the schedule system work for the pilots. We should not accept single days off. No Single days off and minimum days off of 12-13 regardless of what month it is should be our demand if this is a 10 year agreement! In addition, as for those who are just looking at a pay rate; if we have 12-13 days off, and no single days off; I am certain there will be plenty of opportunity for those who desire it, to pick up open time for a pay boost. Those of us who desire time off, will be just as happy to stay home.
As for now; from what we are bantering about; I vote NO.
We should be looking at 12 yr CA at $250 ish. Why? Everybody is saying we are stuck with this for 10 years.
As for days off; there is not much info available from the profiles on this site. But, think about this: if MG is allowed to give us 6 single days off, how will your schedule look with even 4 single days off?
It will be a show time of 5:00am Sunday; a subsequent end time of 10:00pm Monday. Tuesday (1 day) off; then a show time of 5:00am Wednesday. Remember; you probably went to sleep at or after midnight on Monday, and due to legality of 117; you will need to be in bed by 7:00pm on your single day off to be rested for your 5:00am show time. Simply repeat this process for a 10:00pm end time Friday, in bed by 7:00pm Saturday, for your 5:00am show time again on Sunday.
The reality is, AAY flys nearly 7 days per week now. I know not a full schedule, but we are in contract negotiations. We should be making the schedule system work for the pilots. We should not accept single days off. No Single days off and minimum days off of 12-13 regardless of what month it is should be our demand if this is a 10 year agreement! In addition, as for those who are just looking at a pay rate; if we have 12-13 days off, and no single days off; I am certain there will be plenty of opportunity for those who desire it, to pick up open time for a pay boost. Those of us who desire time off, will be just as happy to stay home.
As for now; from what we are bantering about; I vote NO.
06-25-2016 | 10:24 AM
#3029
Gets Tue/Wed and Sat Off
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 559
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Pay issues:
We should be looking at 12 yr CA at $250 ish. Why? Everybody is saying we are stuck with this for 10 years.
As for days off; there is not much info available from the profiles on this site. But, think about this: if MG is allowed to give us 6 single days off, how will your schedule look with even 4 single days off?
It will be a show time of 5:00am Sunday; a subsequent end time of 10:00pm Monday. Tuesday (1 day) off; then a show time of 5:00am Wednesday. Remember; you probably went to sleep at or after midnight on Monday, and due to legality of 117; you will need to be in bed by 7:00pm on your single day off to be rested for your 5:00am show time. Simply repeat this process for a 10:00pm end time Friday, in bed by 7:00pm Saturday, for your 5:00am show time again on Sunday.
The reality is, AAY flys nearly 7 days per week now. I know not a full schedule, but we are in contract negotiations. We should be making the schedule system work for the pilots. We should not accept single days off. No Single days off and minimum days off of 12-13 regardless of what month it is should be our demand if this is a 10 year agreement! In addition, as for those who are just looking at a pay rate; if we have 12-13 days off, and no single days off; I am certain there will be plenty of opportunity for those who desire it, to pick up open time for a pay boost. Those of us who desire time off, will be just as happy to stay home.
As for now; from what we are bantering about; I vote NO.
We should be looking at 12 yr CA at $250 ish. Why? Everybody is saying we are stuck with this for 10 years.
As for days off; there is not much info available from the profiles on this site. But, think about this: if MG is allowed to give us 6 single days off, how will your schedule look with even 4 single days off?
It will be a show time of 5:00am Sunday; a subsequent end time of 10:00pm Monday. Tuesday (1 day) off; then a show time of 5:00am Wednesday. Remember; you probably went to sleep at or after midnight on Monday, and due to legality of 117; you will need to be in bed by 7:00pm on your single day off to be rested for your 5:00am show time. Simply repeat this process for a 10:00pm end time Friday, in bed by 7:00pm Saturday, for your 5:00am show time again on Sunday.
The reality is, AAY flys nearly 7 days per week now. I know not a full schedule, but we are in contract negotiations. We should be making the schedule system work for the pilots. We should not accept single days off. No Single days off and minimum days off of 12-13 regardless of what month it is should be our demand if this is a 10 year agreement! In addition, as for those who are just looking at a pay rate; if we have 12-13 days off, and no single days off; I am certain there will be plenty of opportunity for those who desire it, to pick up open time for a pay boost. Those of us who desire time off, will be just as happy to stay home.
As for now; from what we are bantering about; I vote NO.
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