Yes it was good content.. Think he means 10 years if history repeats it's self from this last round at the table..

 

Correct. But it could easily drag out to 8-10 before we TA contract #2.

 

Gotcha. But... If you think we're going to get pay and rules based off when we may get contract 2, you're due a random.

Fact is, with this TA, we're not getting released for years if this TA is voted down and we don't get a new TA soon. Makes me really wonder why the NC would agree to something that wasn't good.

 

This T/A happen in 3.5 and is the first contract so no real reason to say the next one would be dragged out for 5. Maybe it will maybe its done early.

The other thing I see a lot of well SWA, Delta, ext all going to go up. Yes Probably but you can't negotiate on a possible future. The NMB will not accept a stance on what may be, they look at what is.

So as it is today, the rates would put us at or above everyone except. United and AA. Will some of the pack move up prior to the end of our contract. Lets hope so that means the market is still moving up. If not will be hard to neg up.

Whether we like it our not this is still a first contract and will not be a WIN WIN WIN. Will it be a good foundation to grow. Does it protect us from the complete stupid that many of us have dealt with over the last few years. Until a contract is in place we are at will employees and the company will continue to change how we are handled at will.

Is the TA worth a Yes vote a no vote, we will see. Hard to lean either way with limited not from union source material.(rumor mill)

 

How can we see these notes? Was an email sent out?

 

I don't mind a single day off on my schedule. That is not a deal breaker for me. The ability to have a block of days off during any given month is more important to me. I'll be voting on the whole package. Also, I think a built in signing bonus can be obtained by signing now vs. 3-5 months down the road for some tweaks here & there.

 

Unfortunately I agree. It's nearly impossible to get released and I don't like the one sided environment but it's a reality in this industry. RAH just got a nice contract last yeah but it cost each pilot well over six figures of opportunity cost from turning down several TA's over close to 9 years of negotiating/working on an expired contract. With virtually no ability to get released, retro-pay after contract expiration should be in every new TA these days. DAL has the ability to strike written in their contract if a new TA isn't reached shortly after the last one ends.

 

If only it was that simple. It may or may not be in their contract, but there is no way the NMB would ever allow DAL pilots to strike just because their contract says they can.

 

SFB 320 CAs...could one (or more) please shoot me a PM about what the reserve pain has been like, how much Larry's limo you've been doing on those awesome reserve days? Now that the VBD has taken off on the AB side, non-vol TDY's seem to be significantly diminished.

 

Are you expecting someone to publish the notes here?
Reach out to somone from the union - I'm sure in short order you'll be able to get up to speed.

Way more than just pay rates - whether it's "enough more" is up to you but it's there.