I'm not sure how guys are getting more than the allowed 11 days off but why would anyone pickup trips for straight pay and drop to less than 11 days off. I think you're way off on the comparison and look at United rates. They have set the bar. $143/hour for 3rd year FIRST OFFICER! Don't forget about the 16% direct contribution every 2 weeks plus profit sharing. But I guess we get profit sharing also, it's bands 2-4.

The money isn't even something that can be compared to anyone but F9 and NKS. You realize that WN guys have a max working of 15 days regardless of the number of days in the month? Don't forget their 9.7% match to their 401k also. Plus trip conflicts for vacation that gets them 3 weeks off.

I flew with a couple captains that are on reserve and won't break anywhere near $100k after taxes. Start adding in our expensive insurance, a pitiful 401k match and no profit sharing that number shrinks even more. Please for the sake of credibility don't try to compare G4 to anyone other than the LCCs in regard to finances.

How many hours does one at G4 have to fly to credit 95 hours?

 

Senior Captain, top of pay scale, 7yrs Check Airman - Never been close to $170 plus / year. Long way to go with $6000 max match / yr., 401k, from co. Note: the sim guys are a different animal $$$. Above my skill level & attention span ; )

 

Since it appears the 757s will be around for another couple of years, any chance a new hire would be awarded that airframe?

 

Wrong! I am a 3 year WN FO and make more than I did as a 6 year G4 captain...

 

I'm gonna call bs. I was a 6 year capt. (Even in the training dept) and could only do 150.000./year. At wn it's very easy for me to make that as a 3 year FO. Captains at G4 are grossly underpaid!

 

No argument, places like WN pay more... But for guys coming from the regionals, it might be a different story. A 3rd year CA at Allegiant working 81 hours per month and never getting per diem, pay protection, 130%, etc, is still making $139k. Probably more than a checkairman at Skywest.

 

Very true! No argument here!

 

At JB's road show, he told us that they were planning on 20% this year (15% FO, 5% captain). Some in the training department are being told to plan on upwards of 25% attrition.

With a limited supply of pilots and much better paying jobs elsewhere, we seem to be setting ourselves up for failure. But, I'm just a dumb pilot; me push buttons, me no understand bigger picture.

 

Hopefully this will be the reason we get a contract sooner rather than later. Other than a strike, which is unlikely, this can be the only motivating factor for management to agree to a decent contract. If they are unable to grow and even have to sub service/cancel flights due to lack of pilots that may make the investors and board of directors force Maury to settle a contract. This is Allegiant pilots best chance at getting a good contract, let's hope they take advantage of it!

 

Rumor has it, 37.5% pay increase and 12 percent retirement. That'll never pass.