Allegiant Air
04-05-2016, 07:01 PM
#2201
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Position: Hoping for any position
Posts: 2,504
Originally Posted by 9easy
Senior guys (FOs) I know at WN making over $170ish are usually working extra trips and gaming the system. At G4 at our current pay rates you only need to work a normal schedule (naturally that means 95 hours during the busy months) to make $170. Picking up a few extra trips or skipping vacation, or bidding VBD can push it over $170 quite easily.
The money isn't even something that can be compared to anyone but F9 and NKS. You realize that WN guys have a max working of 15 days regardless of the number of days in the month? Don't forget their 9.7% match to their 401k also. Plus trip conflicts for vacation that gets them 3 weeks off.
I flew with a couple captains that are on reserve and won't break anywhere near $100k after taxes. Start adding in our expensive insurance, a pitiful 401k match and no profit sharing that number shrinks even more. Please for the sake of credibility don't try to compare G4 to anyone other than the LCCs in regard to finances.
How many hours does one at G4 have to fly to credit 95 hours?
04-05-2016, 07:46 PM
#2202
Lifer
Joined APC: Apr 2009
Position: MD80 CA
Posts: 176
Originally Posted by 9easy
At the risk of sounding like a company man, I want to add a bit of perspective...
I'm a relatively junior FO with half the month off, no reserve, and no show times before 1pm for the entire month and last month.. Making about the same as I was as a regional CA. Next year will be quite a bit more even without a contract. There are 2-4 year captains I fly with that make way more than many senior FO's at DL and WN I know.
It's all about what's important to you, and not everyone has a major blowing up their emails yet with job offers.. although that may be changing next year and I think the company has this in mind with their current/new stance towards negotiations.
I'm a relatively junior FO with half the month off, no reserve, and no show times before 1pm for the entire month and last month.. Making about the same as I was as a regional CA. Next year will be quite a bit more even without a contract. There are 2-4 year captains I fly with that make way more than many senior FO's at DL and WN I know.
It's all about what's important to you, and not everyone has a major blowing up their emails yet with job offers.. although that may be changing next year and I think the company has this in mind with their current/new stance towards negotiations.
Last edited by INXS; 04-05-2016 at 08:07 PM.
04-05-2016, 09:58 PM
#2204
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 84
Originally Posted by 9easy
At the risk of sounding like a company man, I want to add a bit of perspective...
I'm a relatively junior FO with half the month off, no reserve, and no show times before 1pm for the entire month and last month.. Making about the same as I was as a regional CA. Next year will be quite a bit more even without a contract. There are 2-4 year captains I fly with that make way more than many senior FO's at DL and WN I know.
It's all about what's important to you, and not everyone has a major blowing up their emails yet with job offers.. although that may be changing next year and I think the company has this in mind with their current/new stance towards negotiations.
I'm a relatively junior FO with half the month off, no reserve, and no show times before 1pm for the entire month and last month.. Making about the same as I was as a regional CA. Next year will be quite a bit more even without a contract. There are 2-4 year captains I fly with that make way more than many senior FO's at DL and WN I know.
It's all about what's important to you, and not everyone has a major blowing up their emails yet with job offers.. although that may be changing next year and I think the company has this in mind with their current/new stance towards negotiations.
04-05-2016, 10:11 PM
#2205
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 84
Originally Posted by 9easy
Senior guys (FOs) I know at WN making over $170ish are usually working extra trips and gaming the system. At G4 at our current pay rates you only need to work a normal schedule (naturally that means 95 hours during the busy months) to make $170. Picking up a few extra trips or skipping vacation, or bidding VBD can push it over $170 quite easily.
04-05-2016, 10:53 PM
#2206
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Joined APC: Feb 2012
Posts: 549
No argument, places like WN pay more... But for guys coming from the regionals, it might be a different story. A 3rd year CA at Allegiant working 81 hours per month and never getting per diem, pay protection, 130%, etc, is still making $139k. Probably more than a checkairman at Skywest.
04-05-2016, 10:58 PM
#2207
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 84
Originally Posted by 9easy
No argument, places like WN pay more... But for guys coming from the regionals, it might be a different story. A 3rd year CA at Allegiant working 81 hours per month and never getting per diem, pay protection, 130%, etc, is still making $139k. Probably more than a checkairman at Skywest.
04-06-2016, 05:39 AM
#2208
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Joined APC: Sep 2015
Posts: 34
Originally Posted by akemps
No exact numbers, but our VP of planning (JB, insanely smart guy) told me 2 weeks ago that attrition was "a real problem" and we are losing "5% of FO's and 3-4% of captains" per year.
With a limited supply of pilots and much better paying jobs elsewhere, we seem to be setting ourselves up for failure. But, I'm just a dumb pilot; me push buttons, me no understand bigger picture.
04-06-2016, 05:52 AM
#2209
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Joined APC: Sep 2011
Posts: 107
Originally Posted by SkiVasquez
At JB's road show, he told us that they were planning on 20% this year (15% FO, 5% captain). Some in the training department are being told to plan on upwards of 25% attrition.
With a limited supply of pilots and much better paying jobs elsewhere, we seem to be setting ourselves up for failure. But, I'm just a dumb pilot; me push buttons, me no understand bigger picture.
With a limited supply of pilots and much better paying jobs elsewhere, we seem to be setting ourselves up for failure. But, I'm just a dumb pilot; me push buttons, me no understand bigger picture.
04-06-2016, 07:13 AM
#2210
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Joined APC: Jan 2016
Position: jets
Posts: 220
Originally Posted by flyingdutchman1
Hopefully this will be the reason we get a contract sooner rather than later. Other than a strike, which is unlikely, this can be the only motivating factor for management to agree to a decent contract. If they are unable to grow and even have to sub service/cancel flights due to lack of pilots that may make the investors and board of directors force Maury to settle a contract. This is Allegiant pilots best chance at getting a good contract, let's hope they take advantage of it!
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