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Old 03-25-2016 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by dawgdriver
Watch much news? Hitch your wagon if you like. Just do your homework. Super senior guys within the top 5% are bailing to start all over somewhere else. That's not just talk. Think about that for a moment. Why would they do that? If senior guys are voting with their feet, try and picture a junior guy's perspective. Imagine yourself bypassing years of seniority with great companies THAT ARE HIRING while risking your career working for a travel company that doesn't care about its customers, reputation or employees. He11, don't read the web boards, a search will confirm what those guys are saying.

Allegiant Air flight returns to gate 3 times | WFLA.com

This was just today. They happen every day. This is mild compared to many others.

Best of luck.
How does a crew walk past the pax in the terminal after ALG says here's a hotel voucher, or your $59 refund, and now they're stuck in Sanford (not even mco to buy a new ticket on another airline). I always wonder if ALG had a provision where the crew could leave via the airstrairs and tarmac instead of being subjected to a rather angry mob in the terminal?
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Old 03-25-2016 | 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by akemps
you're absolutely right, this thread is a whole lot of about 15-20 guys just repeating themselves for months on end. The company has its issues, we all know that, we all know that Allegiant is basically the worst company of any flying anything larger than a regional jet. That said, there's plenty of far worse places to be out there, and we should try to help the people that want to move on to something that may be better for them... Get them on property and then enlist them to join our fight for a good contract. So, moving on...

The online assessment is something fairly new, they didn't have it when I interviewed back in July. Read about 2 pages back on this forum though and it looks ike there's a few guys who just took it, whom I'm sure would help you out via a PM... try b190av8r and ilsbird... I'd think they'd give you the lowdown on it...

Once you get beyond that, feel free to call/text me with any further questions... (I'm just a regular line pilot so there's only so much I'll be able to answer).

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Old 03-25-2016 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by full of luv
How does a crew walk past the pax in the terminal after ALG says here's a hotel voucher, or your $59 refund, and now they're stuck in Sanford (not even mco to buy a new ticket on another airline). I always wonder if ALG had a provision where the crew could leave via the airstrairs and tarmac instead of being subjected to a rather angry mob in the terminal?
Allegiant crews walk past customers the same way Delta, United, American, etc. crews walk past their customers during a weather/operational/maintenance meltdown in ATL, DFW, ORD, IAH, EWR, LGA, etc. Do all those airlines have provisions where their crews can leave without seeing their customers waiting at the customer service desk for hours and others sleeping on the floor waiting til the next day? The reality in the airline world is weather/maintenance/ operational problems happen and that is just the way it is. Let me know what airline never has operational problems and never has a ticked off passenger. I'd love to work there.
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Old 03-25-2016 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by flyingdutchman1
Allegiant crews walk past customers the same way Delta, United, American, etc. crews walk past their customers during a weather/operational/maintenance meltdown in ATL, DFW, ORD, IAH, EWR, LGA, etc. Do all those airlines have provisions where their crews can leave without seeing their customers waiting at the customer service desk for hours and others sleeping on the floor waiting til the next day? The reality in the airline world is weather/maintenance/ operational problems happen and that is just the way it is. Let me know what airline never has operational problems and never has a ticked off passenger. I'd love to work there.
To be fair, the airlines you use as a comparison invest and do their best to prevent the avoidable and predictable catastrophes Allegiant finds acceptable. I would love to see a Delta crew with 3 separate gate returns 😂. Questions would be asked and heads would roll. Accountability is not a punchline over there (neither is Platinum).

Management tries to convince us that evacuations, engine failures, flight control failures, and smoke-filled cabins are normal and in line with industry norms. Doesn't seem normal to me. Other than pilots, theres no accountability, which is why the same occurences are in the news every other day. Nothing changes.

We should probably steer clear of comparing ourselves to Delta and United. While we invest in shareholders, they invest in people, training, infrastructure, and yes, maintenance. They might even own a hanger or two.

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Old 03-25-2016 | 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by tyler durden
To be fair, the airlines you use as a comparison invest and do their best to prevent the avoidable and predictable catastrophes Allegiant finds acceptable. I would love to see a Delta crew with 3 separate gate returns 😂. Questions would be asked and heads would roll. Accountability is not a punchline over there (neither is Platinum).

Management tries to convince us that evacuations, engine failures, flight control failures, and smoke-filled cabins are normal and in line with industry norms. Doesn't seem normal to me. Other than pilots, theres no accountability, which is why the same occurences are in the news every other day. Nothing changes.

We should probably steer clear of comparing ourselves to Delta and United. While we invest in shareholders, they invest in people, training, infrastructure, and yes, maintenance. They might even own a hanger or two.
You are absolutely correct, and I would never compare Allegiant to any of those carriers, especially when it comes to maintenance. They are all in a league above Allegiant. I wasn't sure whether full of luv was being sarcastic or not, but in my previous life I flew as a regional for a couple of those carriers and I remember feeling very embarrassed having to walk by their passengers as we went to the hotel. I just wanted to be clear that I feel no different walking by Allegiant customers as I did back in my regional days.
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Old 03-25-2016 | 05:25 PM
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Old 03-25-2016 | 08:18 PM
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Other than maintenance, I think if you repeated to a UA/AA/DL pilot the bit about investing in people/infrastructure accountability you would get a big laugh. & they're all corporations - their first duty is to their shareholders, all of them.
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Old 03-26-2016 | 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by tailendcharlie
Other than maintenance, I think if you repeated to a UA/AA/DL pilot the bit about investing in people/infrastructure accountability you would get a big laugh. & they're all corporations - their first duty is to their shareholders, all of them.
Or that they spend a year and a half TDY on schedules that prevent them from getting home. Or that they can't get paid correctly, scheduled correctly, reimbursed correctly, ok anything correctly.

I think it's a little bit more than maintenance. As I said, I'd avoid comparisons to real airlines.
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Old 03-26-2016 | 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by tyler durden
Or that they spend a year and a half TDY on schedules that prevent them from getting home. Or that they can't get paid correctly, scheduled correctly, reimbursed correctly, ok anything correctly.

I think it's a little bit more than maintenance. As I said, I'd avoid comparisons to real airlines.
Their CEO would agree. As he used to say, they're 'different'
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Old 03-26-2016 | 10:28 AM
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Maintenance is getting worse not better. The FAA still has not leveled any charges against Allegiant. I guess falsifying DOT controlled records ain't no big thang. Head of maintenance at Allegiant shrugs it all off as pilot work action. Shooting the messenger is G4 management's mantra.
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