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Old 07-03-2016 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by skyrider1015
I also believe it will be a very close vote, ultimately I think it passes, but maybe not by a big margin. Originally I thought it would pass easily now I'm not so sure. By the way does anybody see anything about Short term disability anywhere in there? Also I heard at the meeting in Vegas that the Long Term Disability covers you till you retire, I don't see that anywhere on the contract. Anybody in the know?
I believe the short term info is in the insurance info itself for medical/dental/vision etc. Long term is 60% or $7500 for 24 months and you can buy up if you want more. That's what I see in the TA and jives with what I was told when I asked cause I'd heard the same as you.
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Old 07-03-2016 | 11:27 PM
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It's a known fact MG would NEVER agree to dues check off but it's NEVER mentioned the union would NEVER agree without dues check off.

MG agreed to dues check off because (insert your reason here).

The union agreed to whatever was on the table when MG agreed to dues check off because now they receive our dues.

MG eats crow while the union clucks around with pride promoting a dump of a TA and they don't care, they have dues. They want a yes vote at any cost to you because they finally have income to pay their own salaries and benefits. And be sure, they would NEVER have agreed to this TA if they were working under it LOL they would have FOUGHT as they keep telling you they did (but nope, they wet themselves when MG agreed to dues check off).

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Old 07-04-2016 | 03:28 AM
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A question for those that seem to know;

What's the process from here? Regardless if you're voting yes or no, I think everyone agrees that the language should be tighter. Our union announced this agreement before the language was written, or at least finalized.

So after the roadshows, is there a period of time where the NC sits back down with the company to iron out some of these areas?
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Old 07-04-2016 | 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by The Chow

So after the roadshows, is there a period of time where the NC sits back down with the company to iron out some of these areas?
No, this is the TA. The only way to tighten up the loose language is to vote no, have it fail, and then renegotiated.
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Old 07-04-2016 | 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by ArtAirDelay
They want a yes vote at any cost to you because they finally have income to pay their own salaries and benefits.
Who is they? The negotiating committee is on Allegiant's payroll no?
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Old 07-04-2016 | 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by tom11011
No, this is the TA. The only way to tighten up the loose language is to vote no, have it fail, and then renegotiated.
So I'm not trying to be a wise guy here, but how do you agree to a TA before the language is written?
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Old 07-04-2016 | 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by ArtAirDelay
It's a known fact MG would NEVER agree to dues check off but it's NEVER mentioned the union would NEVER agree without dues check off.

MG agreed to dues check off because (insert your reason here).

The union agreed to whatever was on the table when MG agreed to dues check off because now they receive our dues.

MG eats crow while the union clucks around with pride promoting a dump of a TA and they don't care, they have dues. They want a yes vote at any cost to you because they finally have income to pay their own salaries and benefits. And be sure, they would NEVER have agreed to this TA if they were working under it LOL they would have FOUGHT as they keep telling you they did (but nope, they wet themselves when MG agreed to dues check off).

It's all relative.


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Old 07-04-2016 | 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by The Chow
So I'm not trying to be a wise guy here, but how do you agree to a TA before the language is written?
Not following you. That is the language as you see it in the document.
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Old 07-04-2016 | 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by The Chow
So I'm not trying to be a wise guy here, but how do you agree to a TA before the language is written?
Each section is TA'd individually, think of 20 different stacks of paper. Once all sections are TA'd, they take all of those separate stacks of paper and turn it into one document. So everything was agreed to before the final language was written.

The Devils in the details....
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Old 07-04-2016 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Time2Fly
Each section is TA'd individually, think of 20 different stacks of paper. Once all sections are TA'd, they take all of those separate stacks of paper and turn it into one document. So everything was agreed to before the final language was written.

The Devils in the details....
That's why it took almost a week to get the actual TA out to us after it was announced.
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