He wants us to accept the garbage we have in front of us.I'm willing to wait...however I highly doubt the company is.

 

I just read the TA and it says the lower number gets placed on the seniority list first.

 

The road show was hosted by management?

 

There are two separate ones for each base. One sponsored by company/management and the other by the union.

 

Why would anyone go to the management road show?

 

Really good question.

 

They want to sell it to anyone who will listen. Don't be weak guys. This is our ONE chance to get a solid tight language contract. Don't settle the way we have for so long. We have waited 4 years and most of the improvements don't get implemented until Jan 2017! That means we have time to tighten this thing up....... Don't jump at the carrot (money), please look at the whole picture

 

Glad you just told our ex co and negotiations team what a lousy job they did, I am positive you are ready to commit the next two years of your life to righting the wrong of this TA. lets all throw the thousands of dollars away so every scenario is written to your satisfaction. We will wait years for a new TA who knows what economy will be by then.
Who knows what protection you will have if you screw up a flight.
We have nothing if it doesn't pass. It's really simple, are there more positives in this TA than negatives YES! Don't assume there is anything left to negotiate
Because everyone involved knows that's all there is.

 

This is not about feelings or telling someone they did or didn't do a good job. I am VERY appreciative of all the work that went into this from both the exco and NC and have told them as much. That does not change the fact that language is grey at best in some areas and needs to be clear cut. We all know how AAY mgmt will interpet any grey area into their favor. Let's not put our feelings and sensitivities into a piece of paper. Put thought, reason and logic into it and realize that if we don't fix it now, we have 5 years of them taking full advantage of every single grey area. Anyone who has had management like ours and a poorly worded contract will ask for the same. I stand with my fellow pilots no matter how this turns out, but don't jump at a contract based on language that can bite us all in the ass down the road.

 

I think for most, the decision which way to vote on this TA is and should be based on factors such as job security, securing time away from work, vacation with our families, how effective our health insurance is, preparing for retirement, etc etc. This vote is not about tiptoeing around the feelings of the EXCO or negotiating committee. There is lots lacking in this contract in regards to work rules, which I was under the impression, was one of the primary goals to improve. How long it would take to agree on a new TA is something nobody can predict, may be sooner, may be later. What I know is, in my opinion this failed to improve work rules in any meaningful way. The loose language will be something we have to deal with for years to come.