JustWatching

1) Yes... you have to call in after each assignment off of reserve, even if you've been preassigned a trip. It was pointed out that it was something the company wanted and because another turn being added was very unlikely because of 117 and the fact that you have to duty off within 4 hours of your original duty off time they didn't fight it that hard. If you are unassigned within an hour (you do NOT have to stay at the airport) you are released.

2) You contribute 5% and they contribute 10% for a 15% deposit.

3) YES... CBI is going away. There is a LOA in the back of the TA which explains the timeframe. I believe (unofficial) that they've agreed to use Navtech's PBI system. I say that because they mentioned a few times during the roadshow that Navtech has been doing this for years and the longest implantation they ever had was at Delta and took something like 7 weeks.

4) Positive contact is a telephone call. Not a v-mail or an email unless they're telling you to show later for a delay.

Machaca

Consider 117 as the true limit that can't be exceeded. I've been extended by one leg one time on reserve. Typically, we would only have a problem on the LAS/IWA or SFB/PIE reposition flights they do. And they do that now...even the union recognizes that our system has almost no ability to allow widespread use of this issue

401k...you contribute up to 5%, company matches 200%, also a safe haven plan, so, as I understand it, they keep kicking in, even after our max, as that money is returned Q1 of the next year and they true it up

Company and union have to agree on new software and companies are already shopping their stuff. Given the robust language regarding line holders, they'll need much better than merlot to make it work, tho Trent Porter seems to hold the inaccurate impression that the solver would still be viable

Definition should be addressed in the MOU, but from the company's standpoint, positive contact is an actual phone conversation vs a voicemail. Voicemail is ONLY for a delayed departure. How people are unable to show some responsibility for their own schedule is insane.


I'm curious what people consider "good" work rules, nobody has broken this out yet...I see every other pilot group whining about theirs, but no real concrete example of what an ideal would. Except for the expectation of working 8 days a month and being paid 400k to do it.

tailendcharlie

Because what; if you look in their eyes you'll turn to stone? Professional pilots lack the discernment & BS Detector and capability of nuanced balanced decision making? It's just information, man, that's all.

BlowinSmoke

Thanks for the replies guys!

This concerns me still, 1) They have up to one hour to say "we still need you" but no you don't have to be at airport.

If they call me back within an hour, do I have 90 minutes to return to airport?

Also co-domicile? Does trip have to finish where it originated? Is transportation provided if not?

Many more but I'll wait for the roadshows! Thanks again guys!

JustWatching

Yes, you have 90 minutes to report back to the airport. Again, with 117 and reassignment rules, there is really nothing they can do to you.

Your trip has to start and finish in your domicile. There are rules (don't have the TA with me) that details what happens if you're out of domicile and how they get you back.

This really isn't the sh*t sandwich some would have people believe.

CLMP

Because this:

"He did mention when asked what happens if TA gets voted down. He smiled said well we continue as before and he would talk to us again in about two years!!"

Management should not be giving TA road shows.

Sioux1

It may be what they want those things to mean, but none of those words are in our actual contract. That will come back to haunt us. This thing is very poorly written.

Sioux1

Please show me where it says this is or must remain a safe harbor plan. It is nowhere and can change on a moments notice, along with the vesting schedule that is not defined as well (presumably because the thought is we will stay on a safe harbor plan)

BlowinSmoke

On Point 100%! Does no one realize this?

sqwkvfr

What that man "said" is completely irrelevant. As is what the union leaders, Grock, et al, tell you.

I cannot believe how little people in this company seem to understand that the only, ONLY thing that matters is what is written in black and white in that contract.