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PRS Guitars 04-12-2017 09:50 AM

Those red eye pairings are both terrible. The RDU one is two legs starting early, so not to easy to get sleep. The LGA one is unacceptable. You go from working super late at night i.e. The red eye part to a super early show time the next day. If you sleep right after the red eye portion, you won't be able to easily fall asleep that night. If you wait to sleep until night you'll be a zombie. I know this is how some international pairings work, but those are bad domestic pairings IMO

mainlineAF 04-12-2017 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by PRS Guitars (Post 2341663)
Those red eye pairings are both terrible. The RDU one is two legs starting early, so not to easy to get sleep. The LGA one is unacceptable. You go from working super late at night i.e. The red eye part to a super early show time the next day. If you sleep right after the red eye portion, you won't be able to easily fall asleep that night. If you wait to sleep until night you'll be a zombie. I know this is how some international pairings work, but those are bad domestic pairings IMO



Agreed. Is there a way for APA to flag these pairings as unsafe so similar ones won't be built in the future?

mainlineAF 04-12-2017 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by Name User (Post 2341624)
The Raleigh one isn't bad. The DFW one sucks.



They both go through DFW. One from RDU and one from LGA. The LGA one is 4 days and pays 17:00. Plus has that awful late to early flip flop.

viper548 04-12-2017 10:17 AM

Those pairings suck, but we have the same on the airbus.
PHX-SAN-CLT redeye
PHX-LAS-CLT redeye
PHX-SLC-CLT redeye

12 hours at the hotel then 2 legs back to base. This is their "solution" to increase pay on slash trips.

DarinFred 04-12-2017 10:45 AM

Fatigue
 
Those are unsafe. Period dot. Make the fatigue call after the first leg of those 2 leg all nighters and I bet within a bid period, they will disappear. APA can do nothing...

TankerDriver 04-12-2017 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by PRS Guitars (Post 2340727)
TankerDriver,

What are your concerns? With that info, we can give you better info. When is your class date?

I assume you are Air Force. One thing that was great about the 190 for me (also AF) was getting lots of reps in some of the toughest airports to operate out of (LGA, DCA, BOS). I learned a ton about airline ops. I really enjoyed the long Manhattan, BOS, and D.C. layovers (though under the new LAA rules, long layovers are pretty scarce now). I did a ton of sight seeing. You also will really appreciate the easy flying on the Airbus later on.

PRS,

I actually haven't gotten a call yet, but I'm hoping to hear something soon. I am a full-timer in an ARC unit. PHL is my 1st choice of basing.

Thanks for the info.

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PRS Guitars 04-12-2017 06:32 PM


Originally Posted by TankerDriver (Post 2341804)
PRS,

I actually haven't gotten a call yet, but I'm hoping to hear something soon. I am a full-timer in an ARC unit. PHL is my 1st choice of basing.

Thanks for the info.

Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk

Good Luck! Hope you get a call soon. You can't go wrong with either the 190 or Airbus. Either one will get you to PHL quickly.

bigscrillywilli 04-13-2017 05:48 PM

Let a DFW 190 crew fly the red eye leg......oh wait. AA will soon become nothing more than Mesa Grande.

Thedude 04-13-2017 08:07 PM


Originally Posted by bigscrillywilli (Post 2342902)
Let a DFW 190 crew fly the red eye leg......oh wait. AA will soon become nothing more than Mesa Grande.

Let's not forget the crew that brought us the "Who wants that flying anyway".

billyho 04-14-2017 04:04 AM

Best part also of the 190 is I've had some EPIC 34 hour layovers that have rivaled some of my regional day good times!!! You'll fly with great younger Captains that want to go out and actually drop the hammer and have a good time.

This makes your first year on it much worth it.


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