Had a guy in my crashpad (prior to FOS) I think he spent 2 months on RSV before getting a line. Of course that was prior to all of the training holds.

190 FOs being held for training has been common for the last 4 plus years. It's not a new thing by any means.

I'm not complaining. Very happy to be here.

I just wanted to point out that there is faster movement and shorter reserve times on other equipment.

Checking the 3XP's and cross checking that against guys new hire dates would give an estimate when the guys senior to you, that are being withheld, will move on.

Is most of the reserve flying on the 190 short call? I'll be commuting from DEN but would essentially have a free place to stay in PHL. With such a small fleet how much do reserves actually fly compared to other bases? Sounds like time to a line on the 190 is increasing but if I can't hold a commutable line in say LGA or MIA anyways then would PHL be a good place to be on reserve?


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Looks like a line holder on the E190 is about 6 months. It had been about 1-2 months of rsv 6-12 months ago.

Avg 190 FO rsv this month looks like it will be about 45 hrs. 20% will be above 60 hrs if the current totals are projected through the end of the month.

Rough WAG looks like PHL 320 FO's are flying about 10 hrs more on rsv this month.

The E190 is a good deal BUT the company can keep you in the bid status. You'd get the G2 pay while flying G1 trips. The downside is you're stuck on the E190 vs perhaps bidding a base that has an easier commute (CLT? LAX?).

Thanks Slice, I guess my concern is will I be sitting in a crashpad in phl (albeit a free one) on reserve flying little or holding a line in lga but not a commutable one. Lax would be a much easier commute but I've heard some horror stories about being on reserve and covering the satellite airports. Being a commuter I think it's all about finding the least painful situation.


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So if one lives local and adamant about being based at PHL right off the get go, I guess there aren't too many downsides to the E190 as a new hire?

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Just checked the lines you'd hold in LGA 320/737 or PHL 190. LGA is about 300 numbers more junior. You might hold a line immediately after training (junior company wide is 15,053. Junior line holder in LGA is 14,895. Early March new hire. Probably finished training in mid-late May. Line holder in June. That surprised me...until I looked at the trips. 0500 and 0630 departures out of EWR 2-3x per month. It's obvious those are the trips guys don't want to fly.

PHL E190 you'd better enjoy flying 3-5 legs per day. A lot of BOS-LGA-DCA or BOS-DCA flights. But it's one airport.

I spent my first year commuting from DEN to PHL on the 190, second PHL AB, third CLT.

The downside of PHL is they cut back to 1 or 2 a day in the off seasons. Fortunately there are a couple UAL/SWA & 1 F9 flight to mitigate that. But our last flight is at 1100, so before DOTC. I think the last flight home in the off season is 1830, so that sucks compared to other bases.

I was too nervous to sit at home on LCR on probation (but do so now with great results). That's one of the reasons I chose the 190, was to get a line quicker.