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As a UPS guy...the RDU doesn't look *too* bad.

The LGA trip looks awful.

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Originally Posted by mainlineAF (Post 2341669)

Agreed. Is there a way for APA to flag these pairings as unsafe so similar ones won't be built in the future?

Yes. Call in fatigued. That's it. Simple. There's no reason these pairings should be made, they are legal but incredibly unsafe.

Edit: My first fatigue call was while I was on probation - never heard a word about it. Just be sure to follow the APA instructions and send it to them first for QC. FRM folks keep up with the bad pairings, and are great to deal with.

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Can someone speak to the commutability of PHL 190 flying? (specifically from DFW).

I'm observing these comments and thinking that getting a commutable line in PHL will be an ideal way forward while marking time to let seniority build.

Background:
- I'm approaching retirement, with AA being my likely choice as DFW metro is where I'm planning to settle
- Medium term goal: DFW 737 or 320 (sounds like it is taking ~18 months to bid into one of those)

I am thinking that these may end up being the two initial choices (if the current landscape remains unchanged):
- Bid 190 PHL; bid up to 737 or 320 ~ one year mark and likely get held, stay in PHL with "senior" bidding power and G2 pay;
- Bid 737/320 as available out of the gate; likely sit reserve or junior lines in LGA/MIA until senior enough for DFW

Concern that I may have is too many people trying to work the same thing, ending up with less movement and thus getting "stuck" relatively junior in category and on reserve for most of that time. Is that likely?

Any thoughts... am I missing anything?

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Originally Posted by RhinoBallAuto (Post 2353902)

- I'm approaching retirement...

If you are approaching retirement, why is starting over at the bottom of seniority list, commuting half way across the country to a reserve line even a consideration?

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Originally Posted by RhinoBallAuto (Post 2353902)

Can someone speak to the commutability of PHL 190 flying? (specifically from DFW).

I'm observing these comments and thinking that getting a commutable line in PHL will be an ideal way forward while marking time to let seniority build.

Background:

- I'm approaching retirement, with AA being my likely choice as DFW metro is where I'm planning to settle

- Medium term goal: DFW 737 or 320 (sounds like it is taking ~18 months to bid into one of those)

I am thinking that these may end up being the two initial choices (if the current landscape remains unchanged):

- Bid 190 PHL; bid up to 737 or 320 ~ one year mark and likely get held, stay in PHL with "senior" bidding power and G2 pay;

- Bid 737/320 as available out of the gate; likely sit reserve or junior lines in LGA/MIA until senior enough for DFW

Concern that I may have is too many people trying to work the same thing, ending up with less movement and thus getting "stuck" relatively junior in category and on reserve for most of that time. Is that likely?

Any thoughts... am I missing anything?

I fly with tons of new hire 190 FOs who commute from Dallas. It can be a rough commute, you better have the JS reserved immediately. Also, lots of A3s between phl and dfw.

Your plan is solid but don't overthink it. It's only temporary before you get back to dfw.

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Originally Posted by SheepDogg (Post 2353913)

If you are approaching retirement, why is starting over at the bottom of seniority list, commuting half way across the country to a reserve line even a consideration?

Sorry... approaching mil retirement, at the same time approaching the start of a new career. Will be starting at the bottom of the list where ever I end up.

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Originally Posted by RhinoBallAuto (Post 2354036)

Sorry... approaching mil retirement, at the same time approaching the start of a new career. Will be starting at the bottom of the list where ever I end up.

Oh, that makes more sense.

Another option is to take the junior 737/A320 assignment (Looks like LGA), as soon as you can hold a line you can drop your LGA trips (sometimes), and pick up trips in DFW.

PIT based pilot here and leaning towards United or American for in the future.

Currently flying the 170/175, so if I go AA I'm leaning towards the E190 initially and would probably rid it out till the end.

What cities specifically is the 190 flying? I was under the impression they were more or less just the shuttle planes, but I noticed on the other new hire thread they have Domestic and International fleets?

I commute from DFW to PHL E190 and it really isn't bad at all once you're a lineholder. There are 8-9 mainline flights a day (more than half Airbuses with 2 jump seats), and just about all of the E190 trips are commutable on at least one end. Once you have a line, you can reserve the jumpseat and not worry much about the commute unless there are thunderstorms, etc.

I absolutely hated commuting to reserve and wasting away in a crashpad, but fortunately reserve was only about 2 months short call and 2 months long call for me. I was able to have weekends off and all commutable trips at the one year mark and now I'm being withheld from the Airbus while bidding in the top 10% on the 190 . Not a bad way to wait it out until I can hold DFW.

Unless I lived in a junior AA base or on the west coast, I would definitely pick the 190 again. The advancement is very quick and you can bid off of it in time to get second year group 2 pay. The only real downsides are having to go through another initial and not being able to pick up trips out of other bases.