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SilverandSore 08-28-2017 10:57 AM

While not the biggest aLPA cheerleader it sure makes sense when you’re negotiating to just hand over the Delta/Other ALPA carrier contracts and say ‘me too’. Oh, and for the love of god, stop voting in the same d!cks.

mainlineAF 08-28-2017 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by SilverandSore (Post 2420985)
While not the biggest aLPA cheerleader it sure makes sense when you’re negotiating to just hand over the Delta/Other ALPA carrier contracts and say ‘me too’. Oh, and for the love of god, stop voting in the same d!cks.



Not just me too, but me too plus X %. It's disrespectful to the other airlines not to even try and raise the bar.

Al Czervik 08-28-2017 11:07 AM

The good part is ALPA F&A was hired to cost our next contract. If the DFW brain trust listens in a whole different story.

Buzzlightyear 08-28-2017 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta (Post 2420629)
Are the commuter hotels in their contract? I was under the impression they are an added recruiting tool just like the bonuses and thus easily taken away if staffing is no longer an issue.


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Hotels were an LOA. They are in the contract. Any signing bonus or retention bonus was outside of the contract and/or LOA.

airlinegypsy 08-28-2017 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by Buzzlightyear (Post 2421025)
Hotels were an LOA. They are in the contract. Any signing bonus or retention bonus was outside of the contract and/or LOA.



Yes hotels were an LOA but with the caveat that they can be cancelled by the company with notice. Either 60 or 90 days I don't remember exactly.


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jcountry 08-28-2017 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 2420999)
The good part is ALPA F&A was hired to cost our next contract. If the DFW brain trust listens in a whole different story.

I doubt they will.

Those dickballs spend at least 90% of their time screwing people who pay dues.

They quite literally and purposefully hose various groups of our pilots. I guess the guys who the Bad Seeds represent must love that-because they damn sure elect the same bastards,

EMBFlyer 08-28-2017 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by jcountry (Post 2421068)
I doubt they will.

Those dickballs spend at least 90% of their time screwing people who pay dues.

They quite literally and purposefully hose various groups of our pilots. I guess the guys who the Bad Seeds represent must love that-because they damn sure elect the same bastards,

In that same fashion, how many domiciles had their base reps run unopposed...AGAIN?

QuagmireGiggity 08-28-2017 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by aa73 (Post 2420622)
Contract 2020:

1) 5:30 Min Calendar Day
2) Full LOS
3) LTD fix up to industry standard
4) Industry leading Profit Sharing
5) Industry leading hotel language
6) DL/UA/FDX/UPS + 1% for pay

I'd say that would be a pretty good start!

And.. I'll be voting a big fat NO first round no matter what it is.

Mover 08-28-2017 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by QuagmireGiggity (Post 2421089)
And.. I'll be voting a big fat NO first round no matter what it is.

No matter what? Even if we get everything and more?

Why?

TrinityDawn 08-28-2017 03:08 PM

We at envoy spent the last decade that I've been here (so I'm sure for even longer) being F-ed by ALPA national.

They would rather hide MEC members abusing their fiduciary duty instead of fix the problem.

When I pointedly asked the ALPA president that signed the concessionary PSA whipsaw contract that undercut us and stole our CRJ's how in the hell he could justify allowing one ALPA carrier to directly undermine another, his answer was "because it was a contract improvement for them."

Voting in ALPA would be a serious, serious mistake. As much as APA may be screwed up, at least their primary responsibilities are to AA pilots and no one else. I wish we were that lucky.


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