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Greenville would be an awesome place to buy rental property. It's an up and coming southern city.

Frip

I'm not sure I would buy a house there.

Our crap union could agree to a 1:30 report time and you'd be screwed.

Yeah... Put life on hold for fear of what APA might do at some time in the future...

I actually know people still paying rent because "this place couod go bankrupt anytime, and I'd be stuck witha house payment"🙄🙄🙄

jcountry

I’d just be careful. Debt is awful.

A mortgage is still rent. At least until you have enough equity to mean something. I know way too many people who have no equity and will be in real trouble when the economy takes a dump.

I know even more who will have a mortgage into retirement.

I’m not interested in being in either of those groups.

But back to the point about our union. They will hose us for nothing. Look what they turned the Christmas scheduling disaster into-freaking concessions!

aa73

We got ACD and full LOS out of the Christmas fiasco. Those are concessions?

During JCBA negotiations, our union BOD was perfectly willing to pass a TA **WITHOUT MEMBERSHIP VOTING ** for those items... that’s how important they were to them. Now suddenly they’re concessions... mmmkay. You been listening to the CLT and PHL whackos again?

jcountry

The fact that we agreed to acars notifications and agreed to pay for the overtime to cover the Christmas debacle out of our section 6 negotiations..... Those aren’t concessions? Plus the way open time is handled (which was not in the contract) was agreed to. Another concession.

Let’s be real about ACD. That is not a win either. They will just build all the red eyes into 4 days and none of us will ever see more than 10 days off again.

The company screwed up. We fixed it-at great inconvenience to our group. This should have been a 100% Win.

Frip

The fact that we agreed to acars notifications and agreed to pay for the overtime to cover the Christmas debacle out of our section 6 negotiations..... Those aren’t concessions? Plus the way open time is handled (which was not in the contract) was agreed to. Another concession.

ACARS Notification has been a fact for at least 17 years.

I have no idea how we have agreed to "pay for the overtime out our Section 6 negos", but if you wanna' tey and explain I'm sure it would be an interesting thing to hear.

The way open time is handled has also been a fact of life for years, and is due to the JCBA version being impossible for them to program and implement. (apparently... ) and undesirable for us if they did.

We had already agreed to drop the grievance over that unimplemented item because of those issues as part of some other issue last year.

Chances are real good the fuy will be fine on short call in Greenville, and if not there is Long Call, and he'll probably hold a line before too long.

The endless vagaries of "what might happen" in this industry are endless. Life goes on... But not forever.

Frip

Let’s be real about ACD. That is not a win either. They will just build all the red eyes into 4 days and none of us ...

That's really, really paranoid.
Trips will change and ACD will mostly be absorbed by the Optimizer, but that is really paranoid.

Sliceback

“We got ACD and full LOS out of the Christmas fiasco. Those are concessions?”

What was traded, or given up, in the deal? Former negotiator said the company needed relief on open time(?) coverage grievance(?) so there was some leverage there.

So the final deal might have been a concession if excess value was traded away.

mainlineAF

10 days off is impossible if you’re getting an average of 5:15 a calendar day.

I can’t imagine if we were furloughing and/or taking pay cuts. You boys would lose your minds.

jcountry

You guys are awesome!

ACARS notifications for extension are not industry standard. In fact, they have not been legal at any airline I have ever flown for. (In fact, they were illegal at 2 or our 3 legacies-as was about half the rest of this JCBA.)

You boys are doing an excellent job of highlighting the cultural challenges we have. You are very happy to defend a crappy deal by saying "it's always been like that" or "we used to have it real bad-you guys just don't understand how much things sucked in 1956" rather than looking elsewhere (and I mean anywhere else-including the crappiest regionals) and comparing ourselves to our peers. You boys very happily defend the ****show of a union which gave us this crap.

You will be hard pressed to find anywhere-at any level of US 121 with screwier work rules and weaker contract language-Mesa included.

Why in the world do so many people excuse this crap? There is absolutely no excuse for continually taking backward steps in this economy. That's the big picture. Concessions were negotiated in the midst of record profits-as a consequence of bailing the company out of a real tight spot..... Absolutely unbelievable!